The problem you haven't looked at is that the grid system used by that particular company is nothing like the one in the ISS video. Orad use a complex series of grids superimposed over each other to provide reference points for tracking camera movement. Which is why it looks like a plain 'Tartan' type pattern. The grid on the ISS video plainly shows a simple piece of canvas with a square pattern on it. It simply isn't a grid for Chroma key use. If it was, it still wouldn't work because it's on such a small area within the image. The background and the fake image wouldn't marry-up. His T-Shirt is clearly the same colour as the canvas background as well, which wouldn't work for a SFX image.



I'm not trying to just oppose your standpoint, I'm just pointing out glaring problems with your conclusion. It's plainly not a chroma key background.

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Do you even watch the clips you post on here?



That clip shows exactly what I said. The grid is a multi-layered grid that forms a 'tartan' like pattern, not a square grid. Do you know why? It's because the multi-layered grid makes it easier for the software to plot where the camera is in three dimensions. The reason it isn't a plain cross-pattern grid is because it wouldn't allow the software to reference the camera position in three dimensions. It's not even in doubt that the canvas behind Peake has nothing to do with green-screen technology.



You've conveniently ignored the other facts that make the claim invalid I notice.



Why is NASA supposedly creating a fake within a fake?

Why is the canvas so small if it was to be a fake background?

Why is Peake's T-Shirt the same colour as the canvas background?



For someone who always claims to be the victim of personal attacks, all you have come back with is an Ad Hom?



If you want to prove something beyond doubt you need to cast doubts on your own evidence before you make any claim. If there's doubts or alternate explanations that can be shown to be valid then your 'proof' needs work.

What would be the purpose of faking the existence of the ISS? The only thing that comes to mind is that the massive budget for investment in NASA/ISS is covertly being used for something else.



Also, is it true that Flat Earthers believe that the ISS we can sometimes see in the sky is in fact a hologram projected from the North Pole?

Most modern flat-earthers are from the creationist christian camp, so they seek literal interpretation of the bible. This is fine but everything we've learned about reality, the bible has got spectacularly wrong. They have to stick to the basic tenets of their thinking that the earth is flat, so everything that may counter that argument has to be explained away in a way that best fits their own narrative. Anything in space is explained away in bizarre fashion, and space agencies around the world all have to be fakes. Satellites don't exist. The moon and sun are light sources and flat (Even though you can prove they're not) the list goes on and on. The lies and deliberate ignorance becomes staggering and they have no problem linking all these ridiculous ideas into one giant incoherent mess that they see as 'the truth' and the rest of us marvel at the lunacy.

I was replying to someone else, but I'm touched by your obsessive stalking. It wasn't me who brought up your flat earth belief it was you. Bandgeekmafia was asking about flat earthers as a group not Flat Stanley as an individual, and I replied to him referring to the group, not you. You could have replied to him about his question but resorted to more Ad Hom at me.



I'm sorry you feel so insecure.

Bandgeekmafia you can ignore Flat Stan, he is a true one off delusional and spends half his time trolling anyway. I did once ask him why, if the Earth is flat, the Moon looks upside down to a person in Australia. He still hasn't recovered from trying to figure that one out, but chooses to instead totally ignore such basic debunks, as they don't compute with his religious delusions.



If he wasn't trolling (the jury remains out) then he also seems to believe that there are no Sky / TV satellites, and that he receives all the full range of subscription Sky channels for free through his dish which according to him picks up some mysterious analogue terrestrial signals from somewhere. No dishes point to space, he says they all point to nearby towers. Yes, I know.





And there are no ISS and no satellites. Yes, I have pointed out that he can go out any clear night and watch hundreds of them for himself but he's scared to look as it wouldn't fit his delusions to see for himself.



Oh and yes, Antarctica doesn't exist, the edge of the Earth is bounded by a huge impenetrable ice wall, and flights claiming to fly that way never actually take off.



PS and indeed yes he does apparently believe that there is no ISS, it is a "holograph". This is transmitted in real time, from lord knows how many thousands of networked worldwide projectors that nobody has ever seen and all to fake a brightly glowing perfect image of the ISS 24/7 at any point on the Earth where its orbit happens to take it. Oh, and this here "holograph" is also a solid object in that when it crosses the face of the Sun or the Moon it's silhouette can be seen. Some holograph!



Poor Stan.

Hahahaha another obsessed Sheep. Baaaaa

"Defence"?? Against what? Stanley, the forum's very own Black Knight?





You know you eventually posted some utter nonsense about a lamp in a room, it was real headscratching drivel, when challenged on that particular gem, even you had no clue WTF you were saying. It did raise a good laugh, but was arrant nonsense.





See this is you trolling, N*O*B*O*D*Y would be as stupid as to believe you're being serious.



Wait ... you now claim that you get Channels via an internet server! Do you even know what you mean from one minute to the next? Stan, we can all watch pirated content over the internet if we want to, poor lad.





"Coastal"? So your "great ice wall" is in fact a "coast" that people can go on "trips" to? How does that work? How do these "private trips" get to Antarctica? You obviously know all about them, who runs them, and where do we book them?



It's encouraging, though, that today you do at least believe that there IS an Antarctica, and this is real progress Stan, unless you forget again later on.



Well done again for claiming that Byrd travelled "internally", you don't seem to grasp that he couldn't actually travel internally unless there was somewhere internal to travel to, but then I suppose it is hard to keep up with such grand delusions and you're bound to make such mistakes.



But, well done you for realising that when a person does venture into Antarctica, they'd be travelling "inland". As of course they would, seeing as it's at the south end of a globe. It would be good if you were somehow able to hang on to this moment of clarity.







Here's a trip photo for your consideration - a party of skiers arriving at the South Pole in 2009. CGI?









Amundsen-Scott permanent South Pole Base





Just for you, Stan, a map showing you where this really is:





To help you get your bearings, here's a view from space, courtesy of Apollo 17

Comedy gold Stan, comedy gold.

Are there White Walkers at this Ice Wall? I like a good conspiracy theory but the Flat Earth one just seems a bit far-fetched.

For a place no-one is allowed, it's a bit odd that you can even book a place on an expedition to ski to the South Pole itself. Here's a link, at the time of posting there is one place left. Cost US$128,000. www.icetrek.com/south-pole-new-r ... escription It must be hard to get people to pay that amount of money if there isn't a South Pole to actually go to. I mean, wouldn't the average customer be a tad pis[size=5=#FFFFFF.[/sizesed off about that?

For a place no-one is allowed, it's a bit odd that you can even book a place on an expedition to ski to the South Pole itself. Here's a link, at the time of posting there is one place left. Cost US$128,000. www.icetrek.com/south-pole-new-r ... escription It must be hard to get people to pay that amount of money if there isn't a South Pole to actually go to. I mean, wouldn't the average customer be a tad pis[size=5=#FFFFFF.[/sizesed off about that?

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Wait ... you now claim that you get Channels via an internet server! Do you even know what you mean from one minute to the next? Stan, we can all watch pirated content over the internet if we want to, poor lad.



Well done again for claiming that Byrd travelled "internally", you don't seem to grasp that he couldn't actually travel internally unless there was somewhere internal to travel to, but then I suppose it is hard to keep up with such grand=#BF0000 delusions and you're bound to make such mistakes.



But, well done you for realising that when a person does venture into Antarctica, they'd be travelling "inland". As of course they would, seeing as it's at the south end of a globe. It would be good if you were somehow able to hang on to this moment of clarity.: Here's a trip photo for your consideration - a party of skiers arriving at the South Pole in 2009. CGI?

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[iSee this clown cannot debate without vitriolic Ad Hom abuse.. See my pearls of answers really get your cognitive dissonance super charging hence the keyboard flex and vex. We've been over and over these arguments before so why are you trolling and instigating trouble with your rather embarrassingly tirades. Now the Moon analogy again i explained and your still don't/won't/can't grasp the perspective because you're so vexed and closed minded to even contemplate it just like Dr Judy Wood book you criticise blindly before outweighing factual evidence. Here's an idiots guide to [url=https://youtu.be/4TmklLn6U6wMoon Perspective[/url to make you understand...



With regards to my TV package, again you can't seem to grasp this fact. Theres hundreds of thousands of folk who have this subscription. Its not illegal and it certainly not piracy. Are you jealous your vexed reply suggests so. Satellites dishes are nothing more than an analogue glorified aerial period.



Antarctica... Nobody yes nobody is allowed at the supposed geographical South Pole, So they have an imitation glass sphere'd ball object at a private location which isn't the real so called geographical south pole. Theres only so far you can venture in. Treaty regulations. Hard luck.you should research a bit harder.



Now this what i find hilarious. CGI alert. The fake Blue Marble which is CGI, wheres the star constellations in the background....





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I take it 'glass sphere'd ball object' refers to the Ceremonial South Pole?

Stan have you heard of the Dunning-Kruger effect? I think this might apply to you.



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I don't believe in all mainstream bull; I just don't accept that the World is flat





With regards to the prediction league, I missed the first week. Lets see how we get on over the course of the season. I'm even giving you a head start

With all due respect Stan, you have been subjecting the 'non-believers' to the exact same abuse, so that argument doesn't really carry any merit.

He thinks because we don't believe in a flat earth we are all slaves to mainstream media. I haven't bought a mainstream media newspaper since the late 1990s but I still get branded a sheep by the flat one.

It's not racism it's criticism of bad ideas and statements. All that people have been doing is pointing out ridiculous claims and statements. From Flat earth to holographic satellites and beyond. Calling someones ideas lunacy and stupid is not racism. Even calling someone mental isn't racist. I know you're a christian, I don't know which denomination, but it wouldn't matter if you were a Jew, Hindu, or a muslim with the same views. Those views are still open to criticism whether you like it or not.



You need to stop kidding yourself that you're the victim, while subjecting everyone who disagrees with you to the same levels of abuse that allow you to get on the victim bandwagon.

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