Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:07 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

It will only be a few days before they have pictures of Boris coming to the rescue on a white stallion, after all, he loves a good photo opportunity.

Nothing wrong with a furtive imagination?
The closest that pudding would come is a donkey on Blackpool beach whilst adorning a kiss me quick hat.
And then the eejit would probably end up on his @rse in the sand.

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:25 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote: I agree with YOUR post. However, it was during the daily Coronavirus updates, where our government spokesmen, plus Patel assured everyone watching that there was no problem with supply, only an issue with distribution - you do remember that, dont you ? We were then told that "everybody hade enough PPE but, some weren't using it correctly and that it was THIS that had caused some shortages - again, you must remember this. I do. What he said was there was "enough PPE to go around, but only if it’s used in line with our guidance." Guidance which is very detailed and very specific for very good reason. As he explained (but which is ignored), this is entirely in line with WHO guidance, which called for the "rational and appropriate use of PPE in healthcare settings". There is a specific guideance to "Ensure PPE use is rationalized and appropriate." (pdf) Although there has been an admission that the situation has been challenging, there is still no admission of ANY shortages, despite some hospitals and especially care homes, clearly not having the right numbers and or the right types of PPE. They have, many times, admitted issues and delays with distribution. A sudden increase from 226 delivery locations to 58,000+ will do that. At that time and until the last few days we haven't had a shortage of supply in the country so why would they admit shortages when the problem is distribution - something they have clarified and admitted to several times. However - I do expect we will start to see genuine gaps as the existing UK pandemic stockpile diminishes and the global shortage and disruption to supply lines bite hard. We've seen several shipments from China turn out to be junk, and a shipment from Turkey delayed a few days at a critical time. Locally sourced supplies will help but this is a global problem, hence guidance is shifting and reusing items where they can be safely cleaned and reused is now recommended as an option of last resort. As for the lockdown and people complying, personally, I think that the vast, vast majority are doing ok. There are people out walking, taking exercise that would usually be happy to be in front of the TV but, overall, I dont think that people are doing too badly. We are of course, only in the first stage of this, trying to "flatten the curve" to enable the NHS to cope. What could and should happen next is difficult to imagine. There are 100,000 people furloughed, 1000's laid off and businesses collapsing already and the exit, although not anything like in terms of loss of life, will adversely affect 1,000,000's of the population. You rightly point out that some other nations people will be far more compliant and accepting of their fete than "us" and you only have to glance "over the pond" to see what may be happening here quite soon - thankfully our social care and benefits system, although a long way from perfect, is streets ahead of them but, many, many tough years lay ahead, for all of us I think you underestimate the numbers. There are likely to be more than 9 million furloughed, many tens of thousands have already lost jobs and thousands of businesses have already gone, with more to come. My company has gone from around £35m turnover per month to probably £100k. I don't know as I've been on furlough for 3 weeks (after a promotion and 30% pay rise in January ). The government scheme has saved my job and around 180 of my colleagues until at least 1st July and then we can only hope things are picking up. If the government are still ordering a lockdown at that point the furlough scheme will again have to be extended further. I agree, the vast majority are doing well. But I still see loads of road traffic, large numbers of people out, gangs of teens, families gathering for BBQs and whatever. And I've seen dozens of well-meaning social media posts such as "so proud of <insert child>, she's delivered <insert number> of <insert item> around the <insert community/location>". That's lovely Karen, but wtf - you're in the middle of a global pandemic under government instruction to stay the fck at home, not to be taking your offspring out to potentially distribute the virus across your community. Engage your brain, Karen. Today's numbers are a vast improvement and we appear to be past the peak although it's not wise to jump to conclusions too early. That said, we do appear to be going into the longer, slowly declining part of the 'curve'. At no point has NHS capacity been exceeded, which was the main goal of the strategy. Either way it's still far too soon to think about emerging from the lockdown. There's a lot of stock being placed in a possible vaccine at the Oxford Vaccine Group and Jenner Institute, with scientists boldly claiming they already know it works. If that's the case we could see it being distributed in a matter of months rather than years. Let's hope that's the case.

wrencat1873 wrote: I agree with YOUR post. However, it was during the daily Coronavirus updates, where our government spokesmen, plus Patel assured everyone watching that there was no problem with supply, only an issue with distribution - you do remember that, dont you ? We were then told that "everybody hade enough PPE but, some weren't using it correctly and that it was THIS that had caused some shortages - again, you must remember this. I do. What he said was there was "enough PPE to go around, but only if it’s used in line with our guidance." Guidance which is very detailed and very specific for very good reason. As he explained (but which is ignored), this is entirely in line with WHO guidance, which called for the "rational and appropriate use of PPE in healthcare settings". There is a specific guideance to "Ensure PPE use is rationalized and appropriate." (pdf) Although there has been an admission that the situation has been challenging, there is still no admission of ANY shortages, despite some hospitals and especially care homes, clearly not having the right numbers and or the right types of PPE. They have, many times, admitted issues and delays with distribution. A sudden increase from 226 delivery locations to 58,000+ will do that. At that time and until the last few days we haven't had a shortage of supply in the country so why would they admit shortages when the problem is distribution - something they have clarified and admitted to several times. However - I do expect we will start to see genuine gaps as the existing UK pandemic stockpile diminishes and the global shortage and disruption to supply lines bite hard. We've seen several shipments from China turn out to be junk, and a shipment from Turkey delayed a few days at a critical time. Locally sourced supplies will help but this is a global problem, hence guidance is shifting and reusing items where they can be safely cleaned and reused is now recommended as an option of last resort. As for the lockdown and people complying, personally, I think that the vast, vast majority are doing ok. There are people out walking, taking exercise that would usually be happy to be in front of the TV but, overall, I dont think that people are doing too badly. We are of course, only in the first stage of this, trying to "flatten the curve" to enable the NHS to cope. What could and should happen next is difficult to imagine. There are 100,000 people furloughed, 1000's laid off and businesses collapsing already and the exit, although not anything like in terms of loss of life, will adversely affect 1,000,000's of the population. You rightly point out that some other nations people will be far more compliant and accepting of their fete than "us" and you only have to glance "over the pond" to see what may be happening here quite soon - thankfully our social care and benefits system, although a long way from perfect, is streets ahead of them but, many, many tough years lay ahead, for all of us I think you underestimate the numbers. There are likely to be more than 9 million furloughed, many tens of thousands have already lost jobs and thousands of businesses have already gone, with more to come. My company has gone from around £35m turnover per month to probably £100k. I don't know as I've been on furlough for 3 weeks (after a promotion and 30% pay rise in January ). The government scheme has saved my job and around 180 of my colleagues until at least 1st July and then we can only hope things are picking up. If the government are still ordering a lockdown at that point the furlough scheme will again have to be extended further. I agree, the vast majority are doing well. But I still see loads of road traffic, large numbers of people out, gangs of teens, families gathering for BBQs and whatever. And I've seen dozens of well-meaning social media posts such as "so proud of <insert child>, she's delivered <insert number> of <insert item> around the <insert community/location>". That's lovely Karen, but wtf - you're in the middle of a global pandemic under government instruction to stay the fck at home, not to be taking your offspring out to potentially distribute the virus across your community. Engage your brain, Karen. Today's numbers are a vast improvement and we appear to be past the peak although it's not wise to jump to conclusions too early. That said, we do appear to be going into the longer, slowly declining part of the 'curve'. At no point has NHS capacity been exceeded, which was the main goal of the strategy. Either way it's still far too soon to think about emerging from the lockdown. There's a lot of stock being placed in a possible vaccine at the Oxford Vaccine Group and Jenner Institute, with scientists boldly claiming they already know it works. If that's the case we could see it being distributed in a matter of months rather than years. Let's hope that's the case.

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:57 pm  

The oxford company are going to take the government & tax payers for a very long and expensive ride

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:59 pm  

Mash Butty wrote:

The oxford company are going to take the government & tax payers for a very long and expensive ride

It's basically Oxford University.

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:34 am  

a very fine line between accelerating trials and not causing another Therelazimuab type scenario, or Thelidomide... Yes, some organisation will make a lot of money at some point, but the costs of R&D that end up getting nowhere are also significant.

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:56 am  

Can I ask a question on PPE - maybe Bren 2K could answer this - if you are carer who travels from house to house to support those who cannot look after themselves do you need a fresh set of PPE for every visit?

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:05 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Can I ask a question on PPE - maybe Bren 2K could answer this - if you are carer who travels from house to house to support those who cannot look after themselves do you need a fresh set of PPE for every visit?

You most certainly do.

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:12 am  

bren2k wrote:

You most certainly do.

How do they converse with the patients if they are in full gear - surely it must be near impossible to bath someone in full gear?

Would we not better moving these vulnerable people into a controlled environment where they can looked after more efficiently and the PPE can be used more efficiently i.e. one set last 12 hours not 12 minutes?

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Mon Apr 20, 2020 11:47 am  

Is Boris still doing puzzles?

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Mon Apr 20, 2020 11:49 am  

Steph Curry wrote:

Has the Tory government made massive mistakes with their handling? Yes of course. Mistakes that have resulted in more deaths than was needed. But would labour have done any better? Probably not

This is everything that's up with politics. It always comes back to Labour. 'Would Labour have done any better?', 'Imagine if Labour were in charge'. Steph, they've not been in power for 10 years, this has nothing to do with Labour or Corbyn. Nobody knows how they would have done.