With all due respect Stan, you have been subjecting the 'non-believers' to the exact same abuse, so that argument doesn't really carry any merit.

He thinks because we don't believe in a flat earth we are all slaves to mainstream media. I haven't bought a mainstream media newspaper since the late 1990s but I still get branded a sheep by the flat one.

It's not racism it's criticism of bad ideas and statements. All that people have been doing is pointing out ridiculous claims and statements. From Flat earth to holographic satellites and beyond. Calling someones ideas lunacy and stupid is not racism. Even calling someone mental isn't racist. I know you're a christian, I don't know which denomination, but it wouldn't matter if you were a Jew, Hindu, or a muslim with the same views. Those views are still open to criticism whether you like it or not.



You need to stop kidding yourself that you're the victim, while subjecting everyone who disagrees with you to the same levels of abuse that allow you to get on the victim bandwagon.

[iYou make me want to go to sleep. Bore off.

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[iHmmm don't think so. I never call people with cranial insults. I may say sheople, sheep, or Borg. [/i

Nearly every reply to a post is laced with sarcasm, condescending bites, insults, and arrogance. Yet you don't see it?









I think most people would be friendly and gentle if you weren't such a horrible, nasty, reactionary individual. I think you've been ingesting too much mercury from those fillings...

[iGee whiz how hypocritical. ZZZZZZZ[/i

"This clown". Your second and third words are ad hom abuse! That's a rapid start!





Let's see how you continued:





See, this is YOU, Stan, you never make a post without coming across as the world's biggest asshole. And then you claim it is other people being "ad hominem".







See, most everyone knows that there is a permanent base at the South Pole, and many people do go there, there is as much evidence as any reasonable person would need.



But your response is the same as it always is - you simply make a bald claim that whatever evidence there is, it's not true, and you would do the same whatever happened. Even if you were taken there.



And thatis delusional. That isn't "ad hom" but a statement of truth. You are often delusional. You deny the existence of things even where they are in plain sight. Like the ISS - you refuse to look, even though your own eyes could see it. Because you prefer to stick to your "it doesn't exist" delusion.





It really is idiotic for you to use that "argument". Even if it wasn't bleedin' obvious (the image is exposed for a bright planet, not extremely faint stars) your objection relies on "them" yet again carelessly "forgetting" to fake a star background for one of the most seminal images of the century! If you really believe that then you would truly be neutron-star dense. Are you?







We've been over and over these arguments before '"

[i I'm getting rather peeved with the typical unprovoked vitriolic ad hominem name calling within this thread which is being liberally conversed by two particular posters constantly without any warnings or attempts of discouraging this behaviour.Without delving into other threads just this thread alone has a plethora of their vitriolic abuse here is a sample of their typical postings. Here is a compilation of these vile posts. If this isn't trolling i don't know what is. [/i



[iSo. Theres proof of a poster Trolling with what looks like he's got an emotional childish playground grudge against me. I've counted 4 x legitimate posts he's contributed in this thread where vitriolic ad hominem remarks haven't been made.[/i

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Heres the other culprit who abuses in most exchanges. He is supposed to be trying to set an example having the status of a moderator. This is just for this thread alone:[/i

Quote beliefs[iFerocious Aardvark Wrote: =#400040[udelusional Ha! PROVE that I'm not the messiah, you sheep!The Holy Spirit? The one that raped a married virgin, apparently? Why would anyone want anything to do with such a knob, [/ueven if he did exist? amongst =#800000[uyour myriad delusions. You are the one therefore behaving like a delusional, and if you persist in such claims then it's up you you to prove them. whereas you are both gullible and weak-minded, and prone to "beliefs" instead of scientific proofs[/u. This has many results, one of which is "belief" trumps "proof" and in turn means that any scientific evidence that conflicts with =#BF0000[uyour mad beliefs[/u you will always dismiss as "fake" or "CGI" or some such, without a shred of evidence for that, because if in conflict with your [uunscientific worldviews,[/u .=#400000[uBut it became very quickly every apparent atht the hoax theories were largely by raving nutters, supported by grossly unscientific numbskulls, you dismiss all but your crank drivel as "fake" or "CGI" (your favourite). You cannot surely be as gullible as to actually give one second of credence to the bullcrap you just cut n pasted? Can you? You do know people are laughing at you? This is lunacy if the highest order, yet you can't see it! It is this sort of drivel that strongly suggests you're a troll, as it's hard to think anyone could be so gullible as to swallow that bull you just posted. Scientifically illiterate drivel. [/u





Wait ... it doesn't exist, yet you've had it for 25 years?=#800000[u How stupid are you, then?[/u=#400000[u Do you not see how barking this stupid theory is? Really? It is funny, I'll give you that. But, if you are claiming that you receive paid Sky subscription channels, but pay nothing, then you are indeed a blatant and shameless liar. You do no such thing. You are making it up. Or maybe bad troll - jury is still out on that.

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=#BF0000[uNot at all. I laugh at your gullibility and I deride your more ludicrous remarks and outlandish, ridiculous beliefs, abused on your scientific illiteracy [/u=#800000[uand religious brainwashing. I can treat well-presented and well argued and coherent scientific arguments based on sound scientific evidence and principles with the respect they deserve. But not all claims and theories deserve the same respect, lunatic and misguided claims deserve to be dismissed summarily and I'm afraid you have a full house of them. [/u





=#800000[uThis actually illustrates very well why you are so gullible. [/uYou could have spent a short time gaining the basic preliminary knowledge of the limits on optical resolution, and then you would not have made this stupid remark. Instead, you just blindly rely on some superficially attractive (to you)=#BF0000[u madcap "theory" [/uwhich is scientifically unsound. =#BF0000[u Your poor response is what is "pathetically embarrassing". You continue to make an utter fool of yourself. unless it fitted your bizarre beliefs. But the direct evidence of your own eyes would, if you are sane, and not a troll, Everyone knew you would bluster and swerve the issue. You really are a laughing stock. In your head. Utter nonsense. Talk about losing the plot! There's nothing to add, really, he was bad from the start, but has now become a caricature.[/u





=#BF0000[uIt doesn't matter if a hoax proponent is a troll, delusional, mad or just brainwashed and gullible[/u, if their ramblings go unchallenged then someone will read it and of these, some, having had exposure to hardly 1% science at school, risk being sucked in to the madness. So the trick is to coldly expose the drivel with the facts and the science, until the =#BF0040[udelusional's side of the convo degenerates - as Stanley's has - into incoherent and increasingly bizarre ramblings, [/uwhen they reach the finger-in-the-ears cryptic incoherence stage, plain for all to see. Sadly, it has I fear indeed run its course.=#800000[u Stan has retreated into his shell, and is now totally impervious to questions, while his bizarre quotient increases by factors daily.How inconvenient for you moon hoax delusionals.[/uYou really should look up what "ad hominem" means. You propund many claims and theories which are=#BF0000[u delusional[/u.=#BF0000 Maybe in every other respect of your functioning you are not delusional - I wouldn't know - but I am only commenting on what you say. =#BF0000[uYou propound delusions[/u. In that respect, =#BF0000[uyou are delusional. That much is just stating the same thing in a different way. It is hardly "ad hominem". It is simply calling a delusion a delusion. [/u





One of the problems with you coming up with such a=#BF0000 delusional and frankly childish summary is because you aren't actually interested in the facts, you want to pick some superficial "it's obvious innit" =#BF0000[umadcap [/upoint which you can then pin to your head and claim it supercedes all intelligent discussion. But it doesn't. I have considered both the claims made by =#BF0000[umadcap [/utheorists and hoax proponents, which in the light of the science, all unravel almost immediately, but that is because I have read about the subject and learned enough to be able to say that=#BF0040[u your theory is asinine rubbish. [/u You will not consider ANYTHING unless it fits your preconceptions, and that is the only reason=#800000[u you could cut'n'paste such childish drivel. . I know Stan has no interest in it and will dismiss it without looking as just another reptilian sheeple or something, [/u





=#BF0000[uSadly for the deluded,[/u That's why I love this thread, there are real comedy gems every day, but the joke is =#800000[uhow could anyone be so gullible as to swallow this stuff whole . Plus, Stan is certainly trolling, at least part of the time, but his trolling is so bad, it's hilarious[/u.[/i'"

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So there you go. This is just the tip of the iceberg if you take in other threads into account. But this is just this thread alone. I may have a varied view of the world than most people but does it deserve the above ad hominem. I may have slipped up and made certain jibes back in retaliation at some point but never on the above scale. I've also been accused of being a troll but i've not abused anyone like the above posters have in this thread. Sticks n stones i can take all day maybe but it doesn't make pretty reading and the culprits look the like the very words they're insinuating sadly. Me a troll.[/i





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Quote beliefs="Ferocious Aardvark"See, this is YOU, Stan, you never make a post without coming across as=#BF0000 the world's biggest asshole.





=#BF0000And thatis delusional. That isn't "ad hom" but a statement of truth.=#BF0000 You are often delusional. =#BF0000 Because you prefer to stick to your "it doesn't exist" delusion.



=#BF0000It really is idiotic for you to use that "argument". Even if it wasn't bleedin' obvious (the image is exposed for a bright planet, not extremely faint stars) your objection relies on "them" yet again carelessly "forgetting" to fake a star background for one of the most seminal images of the century! If you really believe that then you would truly be=#FF0000 neutron-star dense. Are you?



b) and because you need to cling to this=#BF0000 delusion, you prefer not to think about it



That's why everyone concludes you have nothing to say, because you never debate, =#800000you never argue, you never consider anything that conflicts with your personal dogma and so you say nothing. You hide behind other =#BF0000delusionals =#BF0000YouTube drivel and don't actually have a view of your own, or if you do, it is never one that you can articulate.'"

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[iSo hang your heads in shame. I've never insulted you in a brain capacity. You insult with brain accusations in every other word. Oh and thanks for reminding everyone that i don't argue. Hahahaha as highlighted. Its you two what instigate trouble. Period.[/i

I'd love to go over and cut and paste all of your abuse, but I'm not that interested in showing something that everyone already knows.



I find it interesting that most of the quotes you've quoted from me are a little bit feeble on the personal attack stakes.



'like he was made of anti-rational teflon. blinkered judgement and deflect reality. You just can't resist letting your little fingers tap out fantasies. slander is when someone damages your reputation. you've got a sado-masochist streak. Crazy beliefs.'



Some that are regarding other people and things entirely...



'If you've got a sado-masochist streak you could search back over the couple of large threads that contain his ramblings to see it for yourself. It seems that in a lot of cases modern technology and knowledge, rather than make a lot of people smarter and more aware, is actually making them dumber. He has to fit everything else under this core belief. Nothing can undermine it, no matter how obvious. He has to go to incredible lengths to make everything squeeze into this core belief to the point that he probably can't keep track of all the inconsistencies. The stupid thing is, he can still believe in God and what the modern world tells him. Like ISIS, it's his unwavering belief in literal interpretation that causes the problems. but if enough people adopt those crazy beliefs they start to influence policy and progress in society. Retarding it at the least. I think he's a good example of someone who thinks they think critically but is fundamentally dishonest with themselves. If anyone needs to see a prophetic bit of cinema, check out Idiocracy.'



Calling you RLFans Village Idiot was a personal dig, I'll grant you that one. But the truth is the truth eh?

[iI never call anyone with brain accusations. Bore off

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I'll give you one thing, Stan. You are a world-class swerver. First-class avoider.



You love to concentrate on this piffling 'ad hom' nonsense to deflect from peoples questions. When you do answer it's smarmy, abusive and evasive. When further questioned you simply ignore it.



So very insecure.

I've never accused you of having one, is that the problem, Stan?

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What about you changing the subject when Timmy the Actornaught was caught faking the ISS. You changed the debate to a shape of the earth debate.

Why aren't you at the game anyway? Don't tell me you're skiving at work again boring me to death.[/i

Hanging around on the david icke forums does not equate to research im afraid. To be honest though, compared to the idiots on there, you are quite normal



Regards



King James

My uncles been to the south pole #justsayin

I'm still here, are you?



The power of satellites eh?



That's because he wasn't faking it, and you were told why numerous times but failed to prove otherwise. Your blinkered and yet arrogant replies are pretty amazing though, if not for their incredible stupidity.

Wow 50 pages later and still the same lunatic ramblings followed by insults! It's better than TV this!



Toe-curlingly cringeworthy but fascinating in parts.

I'm still concerned about his child.





Post 500!

Dear Mr. Flat Stanley,



You have never replied to any of my previous questions.



I would like to ask, what are you seeking to achieve with your postings?



Many thanks,



Sandro IL Terrorista.

He wants to show that one largely insignificant man in the 21st century can prove the Earth is flat with evidence from YouTube videos. Forget the space agencies, forget science, forget logic, forget mathematics, forget years of hard work, YouTube is where the truth can really be found.

Quote Ferocious Aardvark="Ferocious Aardvark" See, most everyone knows that there is a permanent base at the South Pole, and many people do go there, there is as much evidence as any reasonable person would '" An interesting article on the BBC news website this morning regards the British scientific base on Antarctica www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35717932

Quote Ferocious Aardvark="Ferocious Aardvark" See, most everyone knows that there is a permanent base at the South Pole, and many people do go there, there is as much evidence as any reasonable person would '" An interesting article on the BBC news website this morning regards the British scientific base on Antarctica www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35717932

Rubbish, and you know it. All we ever do is ask you to consider questions, and all you ever di is fail to answer.



Your current kneejerk of instead wailing on with copious cut'n'pastes to show how put-upon you are is just your latest smokescreen, to avoid having to consider let alone answer questions which you refuse to think about.



But, I am a petient enough sort of chap, and so let me repeat the question you've been swerving for weeks:



If the Earth is flat, why does the moon look upside down from Australia?



At this stage, I now know that you have no answer for this. You still have to stick to your group delusion that the Earth is not a globe, though, and so you do, even though this simple question cannot be answered if the Earth really was flat.



What you did do was (surprise surprise) link to yet another piece of YT drivel. On this occasion I did you the courtesy of watching it although I was not surprised to see that it was by a person who is either pretty stupid, so doesn't understand the question, or else is a deliberate attempt to provide those with weak brains and limited analytical faculties with fake "ammunition".



Let me tell the audience what your video link shows. It shows a flat plate with a picture hanging from a ceiling. It then demonstrates that if you go to one end of the room and look back at the picture, the top of the person's head is, from your perspective, to your left.



And if you go to the other end of the room, the top of the person's head is, from your perspective, to your right.



And this, the author risibly claims to think, is "the answer"!





The flat plate is a cylinder. The image is on the bottom of the cylinder. The effect you would need is to be able to see the TOP of the flat plate, i.e. invert the plate so the image is on the TOP side and we could see the BOTTOM side.



This obviously does not happen.



If a giant were to take a massive replica of that plate to the Moon, and affix it to what we perceive as the "bottom" of the Moon, then people in Australia would see this replica plate as being, from their perspective, at the "top" of the moon.



That is the effect you need to be able to explain, Stan. And I know it drives you mad that you can't. So there you go. You are on your own. Your link is exposed for arrant and childish half-baked nonsense.



Do you agree, or have you got a different explanation now that I've exposed the previous bunkum?

On the subject of moons.



Surely in Stan's world, every moon would be a full moon as there'd be nothing to block out the sun's light? Unless the sun was underneath the disk, but how could it be, because there's always a part of the Earth in sunlight.



Think about the crescents - what's causing that shadow? And if it isn't the Earth, then what is it?