Re: Jon Venables and the ugly vigilante mob : Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:33 pm  

West Leeds Rhino wrote:

Out of interest, what does everyone think about him prospectively having a relationship and starting a family (if it hasn't already happened)? Should his partner/family know his real name and his past? Do you believe that the traits of an abuser are genetic, rather than just learned?

a) He's legally entitled isn't he?
b) No
c) No

Re: Jon Venables and the ugly vigilante mob : Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:42 pm  

Fergus is a Scouser, their idea of justice is 'get what I want, screw everybody else'

Re: Jon Venables and the ugly vigilante mob : Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:44 pm  

100% Wire wrote:

Fergus is a Scouser, their idea of justice is 'get what I want, screw everybody else'

Harsh!
Have you ever been the parent of a murdered child.
Are you talking from experience?

Re: Jon Venables and the ugly vigilante mob : Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:51 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

And you can fekk off with your "usual form" jibes as well. If you've nothing to say on the poionts, which appears to be the case, then it's probably as well if you do as you suggest, and STFU.

If you wish.

Re: Jon Venables and the ugly vigilante mob : Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:54 pm  

WIZEB wrote:

a) He's legally entitled isn't he?
b) No
c) No

Thanks for your reasoned response...

So you would allow somebody that was abused as a child, who has inherited that trait and abused another child, to have children?

I'm not saying not to, I'm just interested. I don't think the authorities can just allow it to happen. I think he would have to be profiled and monitored, in which case, how do you keep it quiet from his partner?

Re: Jon Venables and the ugly vigilante mob : Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:56 pm  

WIZEB wrote:

a) He's legally entitled isn't he?
b) No
c) No

What if said partner/prospective partner has a child?

Should they not have the right to make the decision whether or not to trust him with that child, or at least the decision of when?

Re: Jon Venables and the ugly vigilante mob : Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:59 pm  

WIZEB wrote:

Harsh!
Have you ever been the parent of a murdered child.
Are you talking from experience?

It is harsh, and I cant say anyone of us would really know how we would react in a similar situation and Im sure we all sympathise with her.

But from what I have heard her say, and what James’ father has said as well, they both seem completely consumed by bitterness and vengeance.

Re: Jon Venables and the ugly vigilante mob : Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:00 pm  

WIZEB wrote:

Harsh!
Have you ever been the parent of a murdered child.
Are you talking from experience?

A bit harsh on her, I agree, after all we can only imagine the pain she has endured. On a broader note, my in-laws live in Liverpool and the one thing I have noticed over the 36 years I have been visiting on a regular basis is that Scousers are very good at playing the 'victim', if you hurt one, you hurt them all. I have heard some of them discussing the Bulger case and referring to Denise this, Denise that and when asked if they knew her the answer is usually 'no', but they feel a deep connection because of their 'Scouseness'

I don't think revealing identities of these scumbags will do anyone any good, if someone ends up killing him then they will end up in the slammer for a long one, which is not worth it.

With regards to him being in the nick for his child porn activity and applying for parole, I would have thought that he would have ended up doing a lot more time for breaching his licence (which I would assume is for life), he clearly has not learned anything (system failure maybe, they have had him since he was 10) while behind bars, which might lean towards the thought that he is not reformable and should never be let out.

Re: Jon Venables and the ugly vigilante mob : Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:01 pm  

rover49 wrote:

A bit harsh on her, I agree, after all we can only imagine the pain she has endured. On a broader note, my in-laws live in Liverpool and the one thing I have noticed over the 36 years I have been visiting on a regular basis is that Scousers are very good at playing the 'victim', if you hurt one, you hurt them all. I have heard some of them discussing the Bulger case and referring to Denise this, Denise that and when asked if they knew her the answer is usually 'no', but they feel a deep connection because of their 'Scouseness'

Don't say that, you'll be labelled all sorts of evil, and bitter

Re: Jon Venables and the ugly vigilante mob : Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:04 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

What if said partner/prospective partner has a child?

Should they not have the right to make the decision whether or not to trust him with that child, or at least the decision of when?

It seems that those with the decision making powers regard his rights to anonymity superior to those of any child he may be in contact with.