Re: Latest Claims Made Against Assad Regime : Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:01 am  

All this will do is delay our inevitable involvement, we know that as soon as politicians don't get their way they keep asking the same question in a different way until they do

Re: Latest Claims Made Against Assad Regime : Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:03 am  

Lawrie L wrote:

Michael Gove had to be 'calmed down' in parliament after the vote as he had a go at backbenchers who rebelled calling them a 'disgrace'


Brilliant

I saw that as well and wondered what Rubber Lips was going on about. Made me laugh though as it seemed he was animated about something.

Re: Latest Claims Made Against Assad Regime : Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:10 am  

rumpelstiltskin wrote:

What utter nonsense. I suggest you get someone to explain the wording of last night's resolution, and perhaps point out that maybe the great British public is a tad ticked off with the financial and military cost of attempting to foist democracy on a clearly reluctant Middle East population. Parliament's vote simply reflected the consequences of previous Western Military excursions into this area based on false Intelligence.

There is also an increasing feeling that despite our natural and justified abhorrence of these Syrian War crimes, use of chemical weapons and the latest atrocity of a phosphorous bombing of a school, it's about time that the Arab league, Saudi, The Emirates et al, stepped up and dealt with what is entirely their regional problem. We, as a nation have shed enough blood on their behalf.

And a moments google will show that as the Worlds only superpower, the USA has really no need from a military viewpoint, of any additional token efforts from any of its allies. The danger now is, that Syria's allies in lebanon may feel emboldened to launch similar attacks on Israel, and that can only end in massive retaliation from them.

You're bothered about Lebanon and Israel in a totally separate and fictitious scenario? I'd be more bothered about Russia and China retaliating directly. Obama is loading his pants because he made a statement about chemical weapons being the red line and now it has caught up with him.

You seem to have already made your decision on who used the chemical weapons. I have struggled to find the proof of this, maybe you can point us in the right direction?

Re: Latest Claims Made Against Assad Regime : Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:14 am  

El Barbudo wrote:

3. The message that this sends to the US, that no longer are our armed forces an extended branch of theirs.

It's not the first time we haven't helped our brother from another mother and it wont be the last I don't think either

Re: Latest Claims Made Against Assad Regime : Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:16 am  

rumpelstiltskin wrote:

What utter nonsense...

rumpelstiltskin wrote:

...and perhaps point out that maybe the great British public is a tad ticked off with the financial and military cost of attempting to foist democracy on a clearly reluctant Middle East population. Parliament's vote simply reflected the consequences of previous Western Military excursions into this area based on false Intelligence.

In the words of our glorious leader, "I get that".

rumpelstiltskin wrote:

...There is also an increasing feeling that despite our natural and justified abhorrence of these Syrian War crimes, use of chemical weapons and the latest atrocity of a phosphorous bombing of a school, it's about time that the Arab league, Saudi, The Emirates et al, stepped up and dealt with what is entirely their regional problem...

If you mean via diplomatic pressure, I'm all for it.
If you mean militarily, I can't think of much worse.

rumpelstiltskin wrote:

...We, as a nation have shed enough blood on their behalf...

I suggest you read a bit of history.
We, as a nation, have caused far more than enough bloodshed already in the Middle East.
We should be staying out anyway ... the tediously vacuous reason that we "have shed enough blood on their behalf" doesn't come into it.

rumpelstiltskin wrote:

...And a moments google will show that as the Worlds only superpower, the USA has really no need from a military viewpoint, of any additional token efforts from any of its allies...

The US still needs allies, it can't fulfil its self-appointed role as global policeman alone as lack of assistance obviously limits its reach.
This vote demonstrates that they don't automatically get our assistance, "token" or otherwise.
The erroneously-termed "special relationship" is wound back several notches.

rumpelstiltskin wrote:

...The danger now is, that Syria's allies in lebanon may feel emboldened to launch similar attacks on Israel, and that can only end in massive retaliation from them.

As a result of the UK staying out of it?
A moment ago, you were saying that UK involvement would be a un-needed token effort, now you're saying the lack of it may embolden Lebanon?

Re: Latest Claims Made Against Assad Regime : Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:48 am  

I'd like to think that the money saved by not lobbing a couple of dozen Tomahawk missiles into Damascus might be put to better use in the NHS

Re: Latest Claims Made Against Assad Regime : Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:19 am  

cod'ead wrote:

I'd like to think that the money saved by not lobbing a couple of dozen Tomahawk missiles into Damascus might be put to better use in the NHS

Don't talk sense

Re: Latest Claims Made Against Assad Regime : Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:36 am  

Let Israel sort Assad out as I'm sure that if they would get attacked in retaliation if anyone bombs Syria. If that happens then I certainly would not want to be Assad as the Israelis will, rightly, tear him apart. But whether that will happen who knows ?

Re: Latest Claims Made Against Assad Regime : Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:14 pm  

If the Yanks want allies, then use Israel, they've been proping them up for years and i'm sure the Israelis wouldn't mind a scrap with the full American military might behind them and if not the Americans can blackmail them in to helping.

Re: Latest Claims Made Against Assad Regime : Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:26 pm  

Horatio Yed wrote:

If the Yanks want allies, then use Israel, they've been proping them up for years and i'm sure the Israelis wouldn't mind a scrap with the full American military might behind them and if not the Americans can blackmail them in to helping.

I don't think the Israelis would need US help if they got involved as they are rather well stocked up with weaponry anyway and are not to be messed with as countries in the Middle East have found out before in the past.