Re: The Economy : Sat Aug 31, 2013 5:16 pm  

Ajw71 wrote:

You said the economy was not recovering.

Well people who have just a tad more knowledge than you disagree. You are wrong. The funny thing is you are so arrogant you genuinely think you are right and they are wrong.

You are embarrassing yourself in your desperate attempts to tory bash.

Do they? Who? Because the article you posted doesn't show anyone saying that. Because they aren't stupid enough to take 2 quarters data as proof of anything.

Again, which facts that I posted do you dispute or which sources do you dispute? If you can't say which can we just assume that you're talking rubbish and don't know what you're on about?
It's you who is so arrogant as to post such complete guff without knowing the subject.

I'm Tory bashing because they're the ones in control of an economy that shows the characteristics I posted earlier. That's a disgrace. It's either due to incompetence or is done on purpose. I'm not sure which is worse. I also blame the Lib Dems for letting/assisting in these policies and I blame Labour for not doing enough to control the excesses in the first place and for not providing a proper, strongly articulated alternative.
As JerryChicken might say, take your football supporter style politics elsewhere.

Re: The Economy : Sat Aug 31, 2013 5:47 pm  

Him wrote:

Do they? Who? Because the article you posted doesn't show anyone saying that. Because they aren't stupid enough to take 2 quarters data as proof of anything.

Mark Carney: "A renewed recovery is taking hold"

So whose opinion has more credibility? The Governor of the bank of England backed up by various statistics over the last 6 months to support his statement or Him from the Rlfans message board who hates Tories. Hmmmm.

Him wrote:

Again, which facts that I posted do you dispute or which sources do you dispute? If you can't say which can we just assume that you're talking rubbish and don't know what you're on about?
It's you who is so arrogant as to post such complete guff without knowing the subject.

Try reading....

Him wrote:

I'm Tory bashing because they're the ones in control of an economy that shows the characteristics I posted earlier. That's a disgrace. It's either due to incompetence or is done on purpose. I'm not sure which is worse. I also blame the Lib Dems for letting/assisting in these policies and I blame Labour for not doing enough to control the excesses in the first place and for not providing a proper, strongly articulated alternative.
As JerryChicken might say, take your football supporter style politics elsewhere.

Good news about the recent growth figures isn't it?

Re: The Economy : Sun Sep 01, 2013 4:00 pm  

Ajw71 wrote:

Mark Carney: "A renewed recovery is taking hold"

So whose opinion has more credibility? The Governor of the bank of England backed up by various statistics over the last 6 months to support his statement or Him from the Rlfans message board who hates Tories. Hmmmm.


Try reading....

Good news about the recent growth figures isn't it?

Which economy?

Which growth figures?

Re: The Economy : Sun Sep 01, 2013 5:14 pm  

Ajw71 wrote: Mark Carney: "A renewed recovery is taking hold" He didn't say that at all. You're lying once again. This is what he said: “What I hear from businesses here and elsewhere is that a renewed recovery is taking hold amid a rising tide of optimism,” the governor said in prepared remarks. But, he said, the U.K. has little for which to tap itself on the shoulder. Over the past five years, he noted, “Germany has grown by 2%, the US by 5%, Australia by 13% and China by more than 50%. Meanwhile the UK economy still produces 3% less than it did five years ago.” Ajw71 wrote: So whose opinion has more credibility? The Governor of the bank of England backed up by various statistics over the last 6 months to support his statement or Him from the Rlfans message board who hates Tories. Hmmmm. It's definitely the Governor of the Bank of England. Who I agree with. Who uses various statistics (not just simple GDP growth) from a sustained time period (not 2 quarters that include a sharp rise in government spending) to back up his viewpoint. As does the graph shown on the article you yourself posted: Ajw71 wrote: Try reading.... Good news about the recent growth figures isn't it? No, it's better news than previously but it's not good news because, as the Governor of the Bank of England points out growth should be much higher. You said something about credibility, well you started with none after your little Thatcher poll debacle. Congratulations you've lost no credibility on this thread, you had none to start with.

Ajw71 wrote: Mark Carney: "A renewed recovery is taking hold" He didn't say that at all. You're lying once again. This is what he said: “What I hear from businesses here and elsewhere is that a renewed recovery is taking hold amid a rising tide of optimism,” the governor said in prepared remarks. But, he said, the U.K. has little for which to tap itself on the shoulder. Over the past five years, he noted, “Germany has grown by 2%, the US by 5%, Australia by 13% and China by more than 50%. Meanwhile the UK economy still produces 3% less than it did five years ago.” Ajw71 wrote: So whose opinion has more credibility? The Governor of the bank of England backed up by various statistics over the last 6 months to support his statement or Him from the Rlfans message board who hates Tories. Hmmmm. It's definitely the Governor of the Bank of England. Who I agree with. Who uses various statistics (not just simple GDP growth) from a sustained time period (not 2 quarters that include a sharp rise in government spending) to back up his viewpoint. As does the graph shown on the article you yourself posted: Ajw71 wrote: Try reading.... Good news about the recent growth figures isn't it? No, it's better news than previously but it's not good news because, as the Governor of the Bank of England points out growth should be much higher. You said something about credibility, well you started with none after your little Thatcher poll debacle. Congratulations you've lost no credibility on this thread, you had none to start with.

Re: The Economy : Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:20 pm  

Him wrote:

It's definitely the Governor of the Bank of England I agree with.

No because you said the economy was not recovering. The Governor says we are (as well as the British Chamber of Commerce).

In other words you are talking nonsense (again).

Re: The Economy : Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:29 pm  

Ajw71 wrote:

:roll:

No because you said the economy was not recovering. The Governor says we are (as well as the British Chamber of Commerce).

In other words you are talking nonsense (again).

Please stop lying. It's pathetic. Especially when it's so obvious. The Governor did not say we're in recovery, if he did please provide the quote in full.

You've gone from proclaiming 2 quarters GDP numbers as proof of a great economy to trying to dispute any opposing statistics, to trying to dispute their sources, to making up quotes from the CBI and the Governor of the BoE. You've been proved wrong by myself and others at every turn. Your refusal to reply to LeagueFan hasn't gone unnoticed. You don't know what you're on about. It's been proved on other occasions with your reliance upon Wikipedia without understanding the subject at all. It's been proved again here.

Nobody with any economic literacy and without an agenda would describe these 2 quarters data as a recovery.
The fact that you are proves you either are economically illiterate or have an agenda. Which is it? I suspect both.

Re: The Economy : Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:45 pm  

Him wrote:

Please stop lying. It's pathetic. Especially when it's so obvious. The Governor did not say we're in recovery, if he did please provide the quote in full.

Sure:

"And it's in regions such as this and industries such as those that will determine the course of this recovery"

"There are signs that that recovery is broad based and set to continue and this is obviously welcome and it should be
encouraged"

"The Bank of England's task is now to secure this fledgling recovery"

"We will ensure that we bring inflation down as the recovery progresses"

So now not only do you disagree with the Governor he is now economically illiterate!

Re: The Economy : Sun Sep 01, 2013 7:10 pm  

Ajw71 wrote:

Sure:

"And it's in regions such as this and industries such as those that will determine the course of this recovery"

That doesn't make 2 quarters of anemic growth a recovery, as he says the course is to be determined.

Ajw71 wrote:

"There are signs that that recovery is broad based and set to continue and this is obviously welcome and it should be
encouraged"

Talking about the economy as a whole since crash. It is broad based. Growth of that currently experienced in the last 2 quarters is not a recovery, it's barely keeping pace with population growth. Hence his comments about poor growth.

Ajw71 wrote:

"The Bank of England's task is now to secure this fledgling recovery"

That doesn't equate to calling 2 quarters of anemic growth a recovery.

Ajw71 wrote:

"We will ensure that we bring inflation down as the recovery progresses"

A future claim as to what the bank will do when the economy recovers. Unless you think the economy will never recover then that's a neutral statement.

Ajw71 wrote:

So now not only do you disagree with the Governor he is now economically illiterate!

No the Governor is spot on, it's you who can't understand the terms, like you didn't understand the difference between an opinion poll and looking stuff up on Wikipedia with regard to Thatcher. You were embarrassed on that thread due to your lack of knowledge, it appears history does repeat itself. Why don't you answer LeagueFan's questions? Is it because you can't?

Re: The Economy : Sun Sep 01, 2013 7:22 pm  

Him wrote:

That doesn't make 2 quarters of anemic growth a recovery, as he says the course is to be determined.

Talking about the economy as a whole since crash. It is broad based. Growth of that currently experienced in the last 2 quarters is not a recovery, it's barely keeping pace with population growth. Hence his comments about poor growth.

That doesn't equate to calling 2 quarters of anemic growth a recovery.

A future claim as to what the bank will do when the economy recovers. Unless you think the economy will never recover then that's a neutral statement.

Deary me. What a shambles this post is. You would look better if you just admitted either:

1. You were wrong about the economy not being in recovery; or

2. You genuinely believe the economy is not in recovery, in which case you disagree with Carney, The BCC, PWC and the statistics.

You just look v.silly now continuing this line of 'argument'.

Re: The Economy : Sun Sep 01, 2013 7:36 pm  

Ajw71 wrote:

Deary me. What a shambles this post is. You would look better if you just admitted either:

1. You were wrong about the economy not being in recovery; or

2. You genuinely believe the economy is not in recovery, in which case you disagree with Carney, The BCC, PWC and the statistics.

You just look v.silly now continuing this line of 'argument'.

You really don't understand at all do you. You don't understand the subject, it's terms, how they are used and what they correspond to.

What's a shambles is this governments economic policy, one you whole heartedly support despite the Governor disagreeing with it.
It's you who looks silly desperately trying to pretend you know what you're on about despite not understanding the data, trying to dispute opposing data, trying to dispute official sources whilst using those sources for select pieces of data which you also don't understand and then making up or distorting quotes from the Governor of the Bank of England in a desperate attempt to find some support for your argument.

The fact that you think any government deserves credit for such small growth figures 5-6 years on from a crash shows how little you understand the subject.

You never did actually answer the questions I put to you:

1. Which facts that I initially posted did you dispute?

2. Why won't you answer LeagueFan's points?

If you don't answer both these it will simply confirm what everybody already knows about you.