Re: Out Of Touch Politicians : Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:02 pm  

Standee wrote:

the only suffering I am doing is reading the same old same old from the same old posters, but debate is healthy for all of us.

The age/demographic of the Labour guard is interesting, p.o.e as has been stated by myself many times.

Politics of envy

No matter how many times you may shout it, it still doesn't make it true.

As has often been proven whenever you've resorted to your stock rhetoric.

You've already attempted to tak the piss out of Harry Smith - you know, the OAP (your term) who stood up at the Labour conference to defend the NHS.

Now ask yourself, without the massive investment in Social Security: A catch-all term that means exactly what it says. Where do you think you would be now?

I'm older than you but I was born in Hedon Road Maternity Hospital - a facility that would never have existed had it not been for the instroduction of the NHS 4 years prior to my birth. My mother would have given birth at home, not with a qualified midwife present but with "Flo from down the street" at best. At six months od age, the family dog bit me in the eye, I spent 3 months in Hull Children's Hospital, while they grafted my left eyeball to the lower lid. At four years of age, I was back in the Children's Hospital for a tonsillectomy.

None of the above would've happened without a Socialist government in charge.

I enjoyed a state-funded nursery facility, so my mother could go out to work. We lived in a Council House on Longhill Estate, alongside others who owned shops, managed shops and held what would now be described as middle-management positions. Some of our neighbours ownded cars but they only ever used them on weekends, preferring either to cycle to work, or take a municipally-provided bus.

Before you EVER try dissing "socialism", just ask yourself, what healthcare and education your parents would have afforded you (assuming you survived to full-term), without the state picking up a major portion of that tab?

Re: Out Of Touch Politicians : Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:17 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

Politics of envy

No matter how many times you may shout it, it still doesn't make it true.

As has often been proven whenever you've resorted to your stock rhetoric.

You've already attempted to tak the piss out of Harry Smith - you know, the OAP (your term) who stood up at the Labour conference to defend the NHS.

Now ask yourself, without the massive investment in Social Security: A catch-all term that means exactly what it says. Where do you think you would be now?

I'm older than you but I was born in Hedon Road Maternity Hospital - a facility that would never have existed had it not been for the instroduction of the NHS 4 years prior to my birth. My mother would have given birth at home, not with a qualified midwife present but with "Flo from down the street" at best. At six months od age, the family dog bit me in the eye, I spent 3 months in Hull Children's Hospital, while they grafted my left eyeball to the lower lid. At four years of age, I was back in the Children's Hospital for a tonsillectomy.

None of the above would've happened without a Socialist government in charge.

I enjoyed a state-funded nursery facility, so my mother could go out to work. We lived in a Council House on Longhill Estate, alongside others who owned shops, managed shops and held what would now be described as middle-management positions. Some of our neighbours ownded cars but they only ever used them on weekends, preferring either to cycle to work, or take a municipally-provided bus.

Before you EVER try dissing "socialism", just ask yourself, what healthcare and education your parents would have afforded you (assuming you survived to full-term), without the state picking up a major portion of that tab?

proven by whom, Labour stalwarts who have no concept of the modern world?

you're from Longhill, I never knew that.

no point carrying on

Re: Out Of Touch Politicians : Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:30 pm  

Standee wrote:

you're from Longhill, I never knew that.

no point carrying on

It wouldn't be half as funny without you.

Re: Out Of Touch Politicians : Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:35 pm  

WIZEB wrote:

:lol:

It wouldn't be half as funny without you.

people have bias created by experience, you can't argue with it, and there's no point falling out over it.

Re: Out Of Touch Politicians : Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:36 pm  

Standee wrote:

proven by whom, Labour stalwarts who have no concept of the modern world?

you're from Longhill, I never knew that.

no point carrying on

What did the tories have to offer following the end of WW2?

This "modern world" was built on the back of a socialist agenda. It was Labour who gave us the NHS, who bought swathes of previous countryside to build estates like Longhill, Bilton Grange, Greatfield etc. Labour who also engaged in a school building programme and introduced a "Comprehensive" education system that made sure that if you didn't make the first cut at age 11, there were still the opportunities to further your education, instead of being consigned to a school that provided nothing more than factory-fodder.

I'll ask you again: could your parents have funded your birth and education?

I've told you where I lived in Hull, I was schooled at: Villa Place (nursery, infants & Junior), the Hull Grammar School and David Lister.

What's your background Martin?

Re: Out Of Touch Politicians : Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:42 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

What did the tories have to offer following the end of WW2?

This "modern world" was built on the back of a socialist agenda. It was Labour who gave us the NHS, who bought swathes of previous countryside to build estates like Longhill, Bilton Grange, Greatfield etc. Labour who also engaged in a school building programme and introduced a "Comprehensive" education system that made sure that if you didn't make the first cut at age 11, there were still the opportunities to further your education, instead of being consigned to a school that provided nothing more than factory-fodder.

I'll ask you again: could your parents have funded your birth and education?

I've told you where I lived in Hull, I was schooled at: Villa Place (nursery, infants & Junior), the Hull Grammar School and David Lister.

What's your background Martin?

Yes, my parents could, and did, fund my birth and education. My background is not of your concern, as I say, no point arguing about it, you have your opinion and I have mine. I am fed up of paying for worthless people sprouting worthless future generations.

Re: Out Of Touch Politicians : Fri Sep 26, 2014 5:53 am  

Standee wrote:

Yes, my parents could, and did, fund my birth and education. My background is not of your concern, as I say, no point arguing about it, you have your opinion and I have mine. I am fed up of paying for worthless people sprouting worthless future generations.

The politics of firing blanks?

Re: Out Of Touch Politicians : Fri Sep 26, 2014 6:21 am  

Standee wrote:

Yes, my parents could, and did, fund my birth and education. My background is not of your concern, as I say, no point arguing about it, you have your opinion and I have mine. I am fed up of paying for worthless people sprouting worthless future generations.

Your parents PAID for your birth AND your education ?

And your healthcare since - they paid for that too, and you pay for your healthcare now including your GP, you ask him for a bill every time you go and see him ?

And in this make believe world of unbridled wealth of yours, IF you had any offspring, you'd be able to fund them from conception through to a university education so that they could in turn pay for everything themselves, assuming that they would want to follow such a ridiculous dogmatic approach to life ?


If any of the above were true (I don't believe you) then the most amusing part is that you are funding everything in your life from cradle to grave whilst at the same time paying for the state to do the same job via taxation, in short, you are paying for everything twice - a fool and his money and all that.

Re: Out Of Touch Politicians : Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:26 am  

Standee wrote:

My background is not of your concern, as I say, no point arguing about it, you have your opinion and I have mine.

I thought you wanted to debate your statement is a massive kop out.

Standee wrote:

I am fed up of paying for worthless people sprouting worthless future generations.

Awww... don't worry, when you get to big school (the one where you don't have to wear shorts) your brain cells tend to develop, I hope when you go there yours will so that we can all look forward to some rational, sensible comments in your posts. By the way what was the cost to your parents to fund your birth? I'd suggest your parents demand a refund.

Re: Out Of Touch Politicians : Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:40 am  

Just imagine if it ever had filled a pram (I never have either by the way)?
It would have been blessed with it's old man's character traits.
Vindictiveness.
Petulance.
Spitefulness.
Fook you, I'm all right Jackness.

The world is probably a better place without!