Re: Kier Starmer : Tue Mar 09, 2021 12:03 pm  

Steph Curry wrote:

So no proof. Thought so.

Tories to win another embarassing land slide election.

The champagne socialists don’t have a clue what they are doing

Neither do the “voters” in that case then

Re: Kier Starmer : Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:16 pm  

Jukesays wrote:

Maybe if they hadn't been underfunded less mistakes would gave happened, you know, through better training, more staff etc.
But yeah, you carry in blaming them, I guess the teachers will be to blame as well at some point.

So you are saying surgeons paid £250k are underpaid and if they were paid double they would make less mistakes - seriously you actually believe that? These are highly trained costly individuals - it isn't the nurses that are making these mistakes.

I asked a simple question - what is the correct funding level for the NHS and what services do we expect it to deliver?

Re: Kier Starmer : Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:19 pm  

Superblue wrote:

Neither do the “voters” in that case then

All 20m of them!! only those who didn't vote Tory know what they were doing?

Re: Kier Starmer : Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:30 pm  

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

So you are saying surgeons paid £250k are underpaid and if they were paid double they would make less mistakes - seriously you actually believe that? These are highly trained costly individuals - it isn't the nurses that are making these mistakes.

I asked a simple question - what is the correct funding level for the NHS and what services do we expect it to deliver?

Nope - That's not what I said

But if those surgeons are doing 25 operations a week instead 20
If those surgeons aren't supported by enough staff, tired staff, undertrained/under valued staff etc. etc. etc.

But I know - Let's just cut waste
But I know - It's just the teachers fault
But I know - It's Jeremy Corbyn's or Kier Starmer's fault

[Mild Rover]

Re: Kier Starmer : Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:30 pm  

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

I asked a simple question - what is the correct funding level for the NHS and what services do we expect it to deliver?

I’d be open to increasing the per capita spend to something like that in Australia, Canada, Belgium, France and Denmark. And using them as benchmark for delivery. Or even Ireland. If (as I’d hope) we could do slightly more for a similar price, so much the better.

Re: Kier Starmer : Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:48 pm  

Mild Rover wrote:

I’d be open to increasing the per capita spend to something like that in Australia, Canada, Belgium, France and Denmark. And using them as benchmark for delivery. Or even Ireland. If (as I’d hope) we could do slightly more for a similar price, so much the better.

Yes, given how lean the NHS is run any additional funding to bring it back even close up to par would likely have an outsize benefit in fixing up some of the most gaping, obvious holes in the system.

Re: Kier Starmer : Thu Mar 11, 2021 2:32 pm  

Jukesays wrote:

Nope - That's not what I said

But if those surgeons are doing 25 operations a week instead 20
If those surgeons aren't supported by enough staff, tired staff, undertrained/under valued staff etc. etc. etc.

But I know - Let's just cut waste
But I know - It's just the teachers fault
But I know - It's Jeremy Corbyn's or Kier Starmer's fault

Have you heard much in the past about overworked surgeons? no all you hear is growing waiting lists!!

So reduce the waste - more money to spend on frontline staff - as for the teachers, less said about them the better as for Corbyn/Starmer

Re: Kier Starmer : Thu Mar 11, 2021 3:19 pm  

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

Have you heard much in the past about overworked surgeons? no all you hear is growing waiting lists!!

So reduce the waste - more money to spend on frontline staff - as for the teachers, less said about them the better as for Corbyn/Starmer

I fear you live in some parallel country to the rest of us where fat cat teachers and nhs staff sit around with their feet up all day searching out new ways to scam the "hard working" (LOL, as our productivity figures attest) tax payer.

Re: Kier Starmer : Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:19 pm  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

I fear you live in some parallel country to the rest of us where fat cat teachers and nhs staff sit around with their feet up all day searching out new ways to scam the "hard working" (LOL, as our productivity figures attest) tax payer.

I think you live in a very insular mental state where yours is the only view of the world is correct. Fortunately/unfortunately the world is a very different place to how you would want it to be.

Very few people would suggest teachers have covered themselves in glory - kids education has been more a disaster and with have greater long term impacts and effect far more than Covid ever will. The fact they had to dragged kicking and screaming back to work when they are no more at risk than anybody says much

On the NHS - yes ICU nurses/doctors have worked extremely hard but they are the minority - A&E for example was empty during the first lockdown. Routine surgery has been virtually abandoned not because they didn't have the staff.

As we are not really a manufacturing economy - output productivity is less important here than in say Germany How do you measure the mental agility of a city trader or an advertising creative because that is where the wealth generation really is?

Surely it must tell you that in the Politico daily posts which seem to be where you get all your points of view from - try thinking for yourself its really enlightening?

Re: Kier Starmer : Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:35 pm  

It would appear that when things go well you give credit to the government but when things go badly it's the fault of the people at the bottom.
Interesting.