Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:56 am  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

Has anybody ever lost a debate on a forum in their own mind?

The usual tactic when someone has been "owned" is to disappear. Have you ever read someone say, "You're right, you've changed my mind on that." on this or any forum?

I don't think I've EVER seen it. The closest I've even come to it was when Jerry Chicken said that I'd changed his mind over the Zimmerman trial. But Jerry wasn't part of that discussion, and nobody in the thread weighed in with anything. There was me saying one thing (at very long length), Mintball saying her thing. And then it died.

But you have seen it, I said so myself, you changed my mind on that thread and I've altered my opinions many times by reading threads or following links and reading alternative views - its called normal life.

I don't recognise the word "owned", I don't follow the logic of anyone who wishes to stomp their feet on an internet forum, or bully, or abuse, or just act the tw*t, it doesn't make any sense whatsoever particularly when most are hiding behind usernames (although I do know several users on here personally), several know me, if you want to know more follow the links in my signature there is even my address on one of those web sites (below) and guess what, despite the paranoia no-one has ever turned up on my doorstep and written in green crayon all over my front door "I owned you in a debate on the NHS" - internet forums are mere entertainment , can be informative, but mostly pass a few minutes of the day in a self indulgent way.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:45 am  

El Barbudo wrote:

On this very thread, last Friday, I admitted I was wrong about Blood donations and Bain Capital, does that count?
One of the reasons for debate is to test one's argument and facts.

You're right. I didn't remember that. Given how recent it was I probably should have.

But it was a trivial point where the facts were easily proved. It was a fairly minor detail but your main argument still stood completely.

IMO you even admitting you'd got something wrong was rare on the internet. People generally don't do it, even on minor details that shouldn't be in dispute. I think a lot of people do that in real life too. As someone who is willing to admit when I've done something wrong it's one of the things that annoys me about many other people.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:49 am  

I have received a hospital appointment timed for 12pm.
I reckon they don't really mean midnight, so I'm going to turn up at noon.

Or are clinics 24 x 7 now?

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:36 am  

JerryChicken wrote:

But you have seen it, I said so myself, you changed my mind on that thread and I've altered my opinions many times by reading threads or following links and reading alternative views - its called normal life.

I remarked upon it because it was remarkable to me. In all honesty, that's pretty much the only time I have ever had any feedback that I'd changed someone's mind in the 15 years I've been on the net. It's pretty much the first time I've ever even seen it on an internet forum. I don't think it happens very often. I think it happens as often as a "you've won a million" email is genuine.

In my opinion Mintball, the person who I was debating things with, never even acknowledged whether my points had any validity or not. She just did a Bill Clinton, "Well that depends on what the defintion of 'is' is." and bailed.

I don't recognise the word "owned", I don't follow the logic of anyone who wishes to stomp their feet on an internet forum, or bully, or abuse, or just act the tw*t, it doesn't make any sense whatsoever particularly when most are hiding behind usernames (although I do know several users on here personally), several know me, if you want to know more follow the links in my signature there is even my address on one of those web sites (below) and guess what, despite the paranoia no-one has ever turned up on my doorstep and written in green crayon all over my front door "I owned you in a debate on the NHS" - internet forums are mere entertainment , can be informative, but mostly pass a few minutes of the day in a self indulgent way.

You might refuse to recognise the term "owned" but you know exactly what the meaning behind it is (and for some reason I don't know, the kids actually use the term "pwned").

I don't want to "own" people. I generally just want to debate. If I see something I strongly agree or disagree with then I'll post. If I think someone's wrong then I'll give my opinion and give my reasoning for it. I do get the strong feeling that people do not like this style and it would probably be for the best for everyone if I wasn't here.

I don't want to bully or abuse people. I am definitely not a "troll". I'm not hiding behind a username. If I'm bullying or abusing people I think that's generally because they'll refuse to even admit there was even the slightest flaw to their completely wrong point and instead have a dig in some way. If someone has a personal dig in my ribs while evading plain facts then generally I'll punch them back on the nose. Hard.

I'll admit I'm not hard to wind up. If someone wants a scrap generally they'll get it. I think there have been at least a few times when I've gone too far even by my standards. On one occasion I ashamed myself with what I did.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:39 am  

El Barbudo wrote:

I have received a hospital appointment timed for 12pm.
I reckon they don't really mean midnight, so I'm going to turn up at noon.

Or are clinics 24 x 7 now?

12pm is noon.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:57 am  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

I remarked upon it because it was remarkable to me. In all honesty, that's pretty much the only time I have ever had any feedback that I'd changed someone's mind in the 15 years I've been on the net. It's pretty much the first time I've ever even seen it on an internet forum. I don't think it happens very often. I think it happens as often as a "you've won a million" email is genuine.

In my opinion Mintball, the person who I was debating things with, never even acknowledged whether my points had any validity or not. She just did a Bill Clinton, "Well that depends on what the defintion of 'is' is." and bailed.

You might refuse to recognise the term "owned" but you know exactly what the meaning behind it is (and for some reason I don't know, the kids actually use the term "pwned").

I don't want to "own" people. I generally just want to debate. If I see something I strongly agree or disagree with then I'll post. If I think someone's wrong then I'll give my opinion and give my reasoning for it. I do get the strong feeling that people do not like this style and it would probably be for the best for everyone if I wasn't here.

I don't want to bully or abuse people. I am definitely not a "troll". I'm not hiding behind a username. If I'm bullying or abusing people I think that's generally because they'll refuse to even admit there was even the slightest flaw to their completely wrong point and instead have a dig in some way. If someone has a personal dig in my ribs while evading plain facts then generally I'll punch them back on the nose. Hard.

I'll admit I'm not hard to wind up. If someone wants a scrap generally they'll get it. I think there have been at least a few times when I've gone too far even by my standards. On one occasion I ashamed myself with what I did.

Is it just me who's imagining a patient laid out on a psychiatrists sofa?
You're obviously going through insomniacal periods judging by your post times.

Have a lie down and we'll leave this thread to NHS Privatisation.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:10 pm  

WIZEB wrote:

Is it just me who's imagining a patient laid out on a psychiatrists sofa?
You're obviously going through insomniacal periods judging by your post times.

Have a lie down and we'll leave this thread to NHS Privatisation.

**** off.

Look, anyone who wants to judge the confrontation between me and this div can look at the threads.

I'm done with you. You are ****ing stupid. You think I'm stupid. So let's just agree that I don't respond to you and you don't respond to me.

Don't bother replying, just **** off.

I guess if anyone else wants to make this *deal* with me, just reply on the thread or PM me.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:19 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

**** off.

Look, anyone who wants to judge the confrontation between me and this div can look at the threads.

I'm done with you. You are ****ing stupid. You think I'm stupid. So let's just agree that I don't respond to you and you don't respond to me.

Don't bother replying, just **** off.

I guess if anyone else wants to make this *deal* with me, just reply on the thread or PM me.

*deal*

FFS

Barmpot.

Bed!

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:57 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

12pm is noon.

Is not.

The p stands for "post", that's Latin that is ... it means "after".
The m stands for "meridiem", that's also Latin ... it means midday.

Therefore, pm means "the number of hours after noon".
Hence 12 pm is 12 hours post meridiem ... i.e. midnight.

So what's 12 am?
Well, it's not nowadays the number of hours still to go before the meridiem, otherwise it would go 12 am, 11 am, 10 am and so on until 00 am, which would be noon (actually that makes sense but our clocks go from 1 round to 12) .
We use it as the number of hours into the ante meridiem.
Strictly speaking, a point 12 hours into the ante meridiem period (before noon) can't exist, as the point exactly between 11am and 1pm is yer actual meridiem which can't be am (before meridiem) or pm (after meridiem), because noon can't be before noon and noon can't be after noon.

Buuuuut, as the hour hand points at the number 12 twice per 24 hours, we therefore need a name for the meridiem as "12-something" ... and as 12 pm is already busy with its job of correctly denoting midnight ... the only name that remains available, in the am-pm sense, is 12 am ... even though 12 am is, strictly speaking, meaningless.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:34 pm  

It is not always clear what times "12:00 a.m." and "12:00 p.m." denote. From the Latin words meridies (midday), ante (before) and post (after), the term ante meridiem (a.m.) means before midday and post meridiem (p.m.) means after midday. Since strictly speaking "noon" (midday) is neither before nor after itself, the terms a.m. and p.m. do not apply. However, since 12:01 p.m. is after noon, it is common to extend this usage for 12:00 p.m. to denote noon. That leaves 12:00 a.m. to be used for midnight at the beginning of the day, continuing to 12:01 a.m. that same day.