Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:37 pm  

El Barbudo wrote:

even though 12 am is, strictly speaking, meaningless.

It certainly is, as is 24.00.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:42 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

<a clip from somewhere that is patently incorrect>

It started OK but ended badly.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:43 pm  

JerryChicken wrote:

It certainly is, as is 24.00.

Indeed, 24:00 should be 00:00.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:00 pm  

El Barbudo wrote:

It started OK but ended badly.

You want 11.59.59 pm, 12.00.00pm, 12.00.01am. 11.59.59am, 12.00.00am, 12.00.01pm.

Good luck with that, but it's moronic.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:35 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

You want 11.59.59 pm, 12.00.00pm, 12.00.01am. 11.59.59am, 12.00.00am, 12.00.01pm.

Good luck with that, but it's moronic.

Yes but you want 11.59.59am, 12.00.00pm, 12.00.01pm, 11.59.59 pm, 12.00.00am, 12.00.01am
Good luck with that, but it's moronic, the consecutive 11 and 12 aren't in the same am or pm.


Actually, what I really want is a 24-hour clock to avoid confusing people (like you) who don't know what the terms ante meridiem and post meridiem mean.
Either that or use the terms noon (or mid-day) and midnight.

Anyway, it is not possible to be 12 hours into the before-noon period and still be before noon ... because it IS noon at that point.
Perfectly logical.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:59 pm  

El Barbudo wrote:

Yes but you want 11.59.59am, 12.00.00pm, 12.00.01pm, 11.59.59 pm, 12.00.00am, 12.00.01am

Yes, just like everyone who isn't you.

Good luck with that, but it's moronic, the consecutive 11 and 12 aren't in the same am or pm.

Does that even make sense to you?

Actually, what I really want is a 24-hour clock to avoid confusing people (like you) who don't know what the terms ante meridiem and post meridiem mean.

I know what they mean. Before midday and after midday. Midday is neither before or after itself.

Either that or use the terms noon (or mid-day) and midnight.

Or you just accept that everyone else just uses the most sensible 12pm = midday and 12am = midnight.

Anyway, it is not possible to be 12 hours into the before-noon period and still be before noon ... because it IS noon at that point.
Perfectly logical.

As it's not possible to be 12 hours into the before-noon period, shouldn't you just agree that calling for noon to be 12 am is pretty dumb?

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:32 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

...As it's not possible to be 12 hours into the before-noon period, shouldn't you just agree that calling for noon to be 12 am is pretty dumb?

I have already said that because it's not possible to be 12 hours into the before-noon period that it cannot truly be either am or pm.
Calling it 12am is just slightly less dumb than calling it 12pm.

12 hours past noon makes sense as 12pm. (after all, midnight is genuinely 12 hours post meridiem).
12 hours past midnight does not make sense as 12pm because is not 12 hours post meridiem.

What is truly dumb is failing to use the perfectly acceptable and perfectly accurate terms midday and midnight, as I do to to avoid the ambiguity that you mortals wilfully embrace.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:18 pm  

El Barbudo wrote:

I have already said that because it's not possible to be 12 hours into the before-noon period that it cannot truly be either am or pm.

So as you admit one of them is meaningless, why not just accept that they are both meaningless?

12 hours after midday is MIDNIGHT. It is the start of a new day. Why push for that 1 second to be 12pm when everyone else is fine with just putting 12am?

Calling it 12am is just slightly less dumb than calling it 12pm.

It isn't. It is significantly more dumb for the midnight and midday to be seperate from the rest of the hours starting 12.

12 hours past noon makes sense as 12pm. (after all, midnight is genuinely 12 hours post meridiem).

Yes. The precise moment of midnight makes sense as 12pm because it's 12 hours after midday. BUT IT'S ALSO 12 HOURS BEFORE MIDDAY TOO.

But 1 second after midnight is am. Arguing that one second of 1200 hours is am and one second of 0000 is pm is stupid and very few people apart from you are this daft.

12 hours past midnight does not make sense as 12pm because is not 12 hours post meridiem.

Agreed. But it doesn't make sense as am either because it is the meridiem. For one ****ing second.

What is truly dumb is failing to use the perfectly acceptable and perfectly accurate terms midday and midnight, as I do to to avoid the ambiguity that you mortals wilfully embrace.

What is truly dumb is your refusal to accept everyone else's acceptence of noon as 12pm and midnight as 12am.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:22 pm  

FFS

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:38 pm  

JerryChicken wrote:

FFS

Sits back.

Smiles and shakes head.