Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:28 am  

tigertot wrote:

Remember we're all in this together.

Those receiving housing benefit have paid the price.
The disabled have paid the price.
The elderly have paid the price.
Public sector workers have paid the price.
The armed forces have paid the price.
Schools have paid the price.
Students have paid the price.
Health workers have paid the price.
Social services have paid the price.
The richest have got richer.

Forgive me if I don't give a flying fu ck whether you or the richest 5% feel it iniquitous to pay some of their gains back. I note you are more affronted by those who can more than afford it having to pay a little more rather than the persecution of the poorest & weakest.

The thing for me is you ignoring those that work in the private sector that haven't had a pay increase for years - I suppose that is their own stupid fault for having the audacity to not work for the government.

How have those receiving housing benefit lost out - if they have a house that is bigger than they need why the hell should the tax payers support that? Why should I as a tax payer support housing benefit in London that is higher than some people's salaries?

Putting a cap on benefits at £20k is that such an outrageous proposal - how much do you have to earn to net £20k?

Why should we have child support? If you decide to have children surely that is your choice and your responsibility to support them not the role of the state?

The elderly have a locked in increase in benefits - the idea they can take your house is barmy who ever thought that was a good idea is delusional you will just end up a branch of Dignitas in every town.

etc.

What affronts me is that hard working people who have scaled the ladder through hard graft are vilified and expected to support all those who simply don't have the drive or desire. The top 1/2% already contribute c30% of the whole income tax take - how much more should they pay? Why can't we have a flat rate for everybody those that earn more will pay more 20% of £200k is a lot more than 20% of £20k.

Of course its unfair that those who are successful continue to do so and are rewarded accordingly - what a very sad point of view. All you want to do is to crush ambition where is the wealth generation/innovation/progress going to come from in your "I don't give a flying fu ck" world?

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:32 am  

Backwoodsman wrote:

Prior to being semi-retired I was a self employed sub contract industrial electrician earning over eighty thousand per annum.
Even now I could work in Canada , South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, Botswana, Dubai. I have paid more than my fair share of tax in this country.
I have also trained several highly skilled engineers and paid for them to attend technical college. So your attitude to me would be to sod off.
It might be unpalatable to you but in this day and age money has wings, companies and people will move to countries which suit them better. Don't forget quite a lot of high earners create employment for workers who inturn pay income tax.
If you use France as an example, high rates of income tax for high earners meant that literally thousands moved to London.
They now pay tax in London, presumably you will be happy to tell them to sod off.

There is no reasoning with hard core Socialists as long as they would be at the top of the food chain they really don't care about anyone else - this stuff about elderly, government employees, benefits is a smokescreen for avarice towards those that have worked really hard to make something of their life.

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:37 am  

Bullseye wrote:

No you misunderstand my point. Read it again.

I was talking about learning the lessons from dealing with the incident at Hillsborough.

What lessons have they learned - their arrogance hasn't gone away and how they defend themselves from criticism - in that they have learnt nothing

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:44 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

There is no reasoning with hard core Socialists as long as they would be at the top of the food chain they really don't care about anyone else - this stuff about elderly, government employees, benefits is a smokescreen for avarice towards those that have worked really hard to make something of their life.

As someone in the higher rate tax band & someone who has worked really hard since they left school at 15, over 40 years ago, currently successfully managing a £500m capital build programme, I am qualified to comment. The trouble with fascist, Daily Mail readers like yourself, is that you are only comfortable with stereotypes.

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:54 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

There is no reasoning with hard core Socialists as long as they would be at the top of the food chain they really don't care about anyone else - this stuff about elderly, government employees, benefits is a smokescreen for avarice towards those that have worked really hard to make something of their life.

And you want to make sure that people at the bottom stay at the bottom just so you can enjoy the money you earn. Just remember its highly unlikely you got to where you are without standing on the back of some of the people you want to keep at the bottom. If there is no money for education due to people not paying their share then its tantamount to pulling up the drawbridge to the castle once you are safe inside.

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:04 am  

tigertot wrote:

As someone in the higher rate tax band & someone who has worked really hard since they left school at 15, over 40 years ago, currently successfully managing a £500m capital build programme, I am qualified to comment. The trouble with fascist, Daily Mail readers like yourself, is that you are only comfortable with stereotypes.

And to second that - I grew up on a council estate in the Thatcher years, and going to uni wasn't even a consideration; I've worked since I left school and I now earn many times the national average, employ over 2000 people, and am in receipt of dividends from a company I part own.

So with another lefty stereotype busted - I say again - I am quite happy to pay more tax to support society as a whole, and strongly believe that it's time the inequality created and perpetuated by the right wing establishment was deconstructed in favour of collectivism, and actually giving a $h1t about everyone in society. Idealist? I'll take that.

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:17 am  

ATEOTD I don't see Labour winning the election. However if they give the Tories a bloody nose and make them sit up and think about what they are doing rather than railroading through any policies they want, then to me, that is a small victory considering where Labour where at the beginning of the year.

[Bullseye]

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:33 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

What lessons have they learned - their arrogance hasn't gone away and how they defend themselves from criticism - in that they have learnt nothing

I'm talking specifically about how they prepare for, respond to and recover from emergencies.

[Bullseye]

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:36 am  

TBH a lot of people moaning about paying tax on here just come over as selfish.

[TimperleySaint]

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:47 am  

Bullseye wrote:

TBH a lot of people moaning about paying tax on here just come over as selfish.

TBH people moaning about tax saying higher earners should pay more just come over as lazy.