Re: No More Arguments: Austerity is Working! : Fri Apr 18, 2014 4:21 pm  

Hull White Star wrote: Labour left me alone to fight my illness not like this government who have done nothing but call us in every 6 months for pointless assessments in case people have grown limbs back, take money off disablef people for them daring to have an extra bedroom, change Pip from DLA so drastically that the majority of us will lose our independence and basically call us liars, fakers and scroungers. Oh. My. God. Every six months? That's just scandalous. What should happen, is someone should be able to say "I'm disabled, you'll have to take my word for it, give me money now and forever, no questions asked". You poor, poor lamb. In case you missed it, the last government brought in a lovely little scheme that penalised people for having an extra bedroom. Oh and here's Alistair Darling who reckoned 70% of those on incapacity benefit were "liars, fakers and scroungers". http://www.theguardian.com/society/2001 ... disability To be honest, you'd be better if you simply said "Tories......WAAAAAAHHHH"

Hull White Star wrote: Labour left me alone to fight my illness not like this government who have done nothing but call us in every 6 months for pointless assessments in case people have grown limbs back, take money off disablef people for them daring to have an extra bedroom, change Pip from DLA so drastically that the majority of us will lose our independence and basically call us liars, fakers and scroungers. Oh. My. God. Every six months? That's just scandalous. What should happen, is someone should be able to say "I'm disabled, you'll have to take my word for it, give me money now and forever, no questions asked". You poor, poor lamb. In case you missed it, the last government brought in a lovely little scheme that penalised people for having an extra bedroom. Oh and here's Alistair Darling who reckoned 70% of those on incapacity benefit were "liars, fakers and scroungers". http://www.theguardian.com/society/2001 ... disability To be honest, you'd be better if you simply said "Tories......WAAAAAAHHHH"

Re: No More Arguments: Austerity is Working! : Fri Apr 18, 2014 4:52 pm  

Charlie Sierra wrote:

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And in the real world getting on for one million people have needed the help of a food bank. Nice legacy for Dave and Gideon.

Here's a new sig for you:

Rah, rah, rah, we're going to smash the oiks.

So nothing to report on the economy then.

That some people need to use a food bank is a very sad state of affairs but you seem to have forgotten that there has been a very serious world economic crisis with many many casualties all over the globe. Neither should it be forgotten that the last Labour Government left office with the cupboard bare.

The new government had to take over an economic mess and their attempts to put right the wrongs Labour left behind have taken much longer than originally expected because the recession went on longer and was deeper than anyone imagined. The recovery was further delayed by the ongoing Euro crisis that has had such a negative effect.

Because things are getting better on most economic fronts does not mean the Government can solve all problems at a stroke. It will take time to remove the need for the likes of food banks and for the majority of the population to feel better off but the future at present is positive. So why not celebrate this?

You say that one almost million people have used a food bank in the last year. Can you tell me is that one million different people? or is it one million parcels given out?

The Trussel Trust opened their first UK foodbank in 2000 and started to market their franchised network in 2004 during in the boom and bust years of Blair and Brown so you can stop the snearing at the present Government as they have put us on the road to recovery. The Trust has successfully marketed the Foodbank social franchise model and is a key factor in the growth of the network. Their strategic aim is to have a Foodbank in every town in the UK so it is no wonder more people will be using their services. It is likely that there has always been a need for foodbanks but the recession and the increase in availability are reasons for the rapid growth.

Re: No More Arguments: Austerity is Working! : Fri Apr 18, 2014 4:55 pm  

No one is saying we shouldn't be assessed but come on!! You really think its acceptable to drag someone in after seeing them only six months before to check if a limb has grown back? Even you must think that is ridiculous. David Cameron said many times in the House that disabled people and parents of disabled people were exempt from the bedroom tax. He lied.

I hope you never experience the total dispair and stress you feel everytime you get a brown envelope through the door, the sick feeling of dread that you are being called in again despite an abundance of consultants letters that are ignored. It could happen to anyone at anytime. You might not be quick in your opinions if it was you or a loved one.

Re: No More Arguments: Austerity is Working! : Fri Apr 18, 2014 5:59 pm  

Lord Elpers wrote:

So nothing to report on the economy then.

That some people need to use a food bank is a very sad state of affairs but you seem to have forgotten that there has been a very serious world economic crisis with many many casualties all over the globe. Neither should it be forgotten that the last Labour Government left office with the cupboard bare.

The new government had to take over an economic mess and their attempts to put right the wrongs Labour left behind have taken much longer than originally expected because the recession went on longer and was deeper than anyone imagined. The recovery was further delayed by the ongoing Euro crisis that has had such a negative effect.

Because things are getting better on most economic fronts does not mean the Government can solve all problems at a stroke. It will take time to remove the need for the likes of food banks and for the majority of the population to feel better off but the future at present is positive. So why not celebrate this?

You say that one almost million people have used a food bank in the last year. Can you tell me is that one million different people? or is it one million parcels given out?

The Trussel Trust opened their first UK foodbank in 2000 and started to market their franchised network in 2004 during in the boom and bust years of Blair and Brown so you can stop the snearing at the present Government as they have put us on the road to recovery. The Trust has successfully marketed the Foodbank social franchise model and is a key factor in the growth of the network. Their strategic aim is to have a Foodbank in every town in the UK so it is no wonder more people will be using their services. It is likely that there has always been a need for foodbanks but the recession and the increase in availability are reasons for the rapid growth.

Lord Elpers did you read the article in the business section of the Sunday Times last weekend? It is suspected that the Office for National Statistics were far too conservative in their GDP figures throughout 2012 and that GDP growth for that year could be revised up by as much as 0.7%.

This would further underline the excellent job this Government has done in turning the economy around.

Re: No More Arguments: Austerity is Working! : Fri Apr 18, 2014 6:15 pm  

According to Ms McVey its seismic. She needs to consult a dictionary before she opens are mis-informed mouth.

Re: No More Arguments: Austerity is Working! : Sat Apr 19, 2014 10:07 am  

Ajw71 wrote:

Lord Elpers did you read the article in the business section of the Sunday Times last weekend? It is suspected that the Office for National Statistics were far too conservative in their GDP figures throughout 2012 and that GDP growth for that year could be revised up by as much as 0.7%.

This would further underline the excellent job this Government has done in turning the economy around.

Yes I did read the article and as it says those early ONS estimates should have been taken with a bucket-load of salt as its weak initial GDP estimates brought this government close to a crisis. As did the comments a year ago from Oliver Blanchard, the IMF's chief economist, who went over the top in warning George Osborne that he was "playing with fire" with his policies and who has been proved spectacularly wrong.

The article also reminded us that Blanchard was not alone in misreading Britain's economy and it pointed out "the delicious irony, against the French-run IMF, in that if you were looking for an economy with growth problems, look no further than France predicted to grow by just 1% this year after 0.3% last year and zero in 2012" This a socialist run country with economic policies shared by Ed Balls-up. (You have to suspect the judgement of someone with hair cut in the style of an ill fitting cheap wig)

So a good job we have Gerorge Osborne who had the strength of character to stick to his guns and tough it out against all his critics who have been proved to be so wrong.

Re: No More Arguments: Austerity is Working! : Sat Apr 19, 2014 12:04 pm  

Lord Elpers wrote:

So a good job we have Gerorge Osborne who had the strength of character to stick to his guns and tough it out against all his critics who have been proved to be so wrong.

His critics are correct.
Its only right wing nutters i.e the current government and its apologists who believe that Gideon has been right about anything.

But seeing as reality is a concept that is way beyond their comprehension and understanding, as evidenced by the drivel posted by dogma driven incapable of joined up thinking right wing apologists who post on these forums, then I suppose there should be a small amount of sympathy for them. The education system and their parents have let them down badly.
Just imagine, being greedy, inhumane, nasty and lacking the ability to even understand what the word social means.
Sad so sad.

Re: No More Arguments: Austerity is Working! : Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:32 pm  

Leaguefan wrote:

His critics are correct.
Its only right wing nutters i.e the current government and its apologists who believe that Gideon has been right about anything.

But seeing as reality is a concept that is way beyond their comprehension and understanding, as evidenced by the drivel posted by dogma driven incapable of joined up thinking right wing apologists who post on these forums, then I suppose there should be a small amount of sympathy for them. The education system and their parents have let them down badly.
Just imagine, being greedy, inhumane, nasty and lacking the ability to even understand what the word social means.
Sad so sad.

There speaks an example of a bitter poster whose whole message is negative, abusive and filled with envy. These comments have nothing to do with the discussion on the welcomed improvement in the economy and the positive signs of a return to better times for all.

Re: No More Arguments: Austerity is Working! : Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:16 pm  

Lord Elpers wrote:

... the welcomed improvement in the economy and the positive signs of a return to better times for all.

To extract that quote in isolation I think you are being overly optimistic in your assumption that the continuing improvement in the economy which will eventually take the numbers back to what the economists say we were at in 2007, will necessarily mean "better times for all".

Being in the business that I am in I know without contradiction that the workplace is an entirely different place to what it was pre-recession and there will be no will to change the accepted practices of low cost, untied labour by employers as their markets pick up again, indeed an improving market is all the more encouragement for the practice of letting an agency provide your shopfloor numbers rather than have the bother of doing it yourself, its cheaper and a hell of a lot more flexible.

All of which means that wage rates will be kept low for the majority of employees for a long time to come, kept low by a still fragile economy, kept low by the constant repetition of the inflation word but mainly kept low by the fact that you now have a middle man to provide for in your contract of employment, not only is your place of work trying to cut costs, so is your employer the middle man because believe me, the agencies are in the most cut throat business I have ever seen and contracts are won and lost on a weekly basis for the sake of one or two pence per hour.

For an awful lot of people the feeling of job security is a thing of the past and will probably never return.

Re: No More Arguments: Austerity is Working! : Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:34 pm  

Lord Elpers wrote:

There speaks an example of a bitter poster whose whole message is negative, abusive and filled with envy. These comments have nothing to do with the discussion on the welcomed improvement in the economy and the positive signs of a return to better times for all.

A comment that all right wing apologists bring forth when their own arguments are blown out of the water.

Of what, whom, do you believe or actually understand I am supposedly envious of?

The "welcomed improvement in the" economy of tax evasion, tax avoidance is doing well, as is the black economy. The so called UK economy is a joke. It is being run by non accountable people supported by a government who empathise with their aims. That right wingers who have not grasped that is the sad part.

The UK economy is a joke and the reason why it is can be traced back to the worst piece of social engineering ever created during peace time by that woman and her cronies.

The trouble is that right win apologists cannot or will not see that and lack the capacity to work out why it is. All they do is stick their fingers in their ears, sing la la la and hope things go away.

Oh, another point, please, for my edification, and possibly education, show me where I have been abusive?