Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Mon Jan 28, 2019 1:24 pm  

Cronus wrote:

We need the Conservative Party united behind May to get this deal voted through. There are some signs the ERG are softening but it's nowhere near enough while so many agendas are being pushed.

Thankfully it's unlikely Corbyn would win a GE even now. That's a truly damning reflection of his leadership and his strategy.

Leadership?
Strategy?

Does he have either?

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Mon Jan 28, 2019 1:45 pm  

Cronus wrote:

We need the Conservative Party united behind May to get this deal voted through. There are some signs the ERG are softening but it's nowhere near enough while so many agendas are being pushed.

Thankfully it's unlikely Corbyn would win a GE even now. That's a truly damning reflection of his leadership and his strategy.

I agree about Corbyn but, equally, not ALL Tories will unite behind May on this one.
Just like Corbyn, there are factions and politicians in the Tory party that just want a turn in the BIG chair and they are prepared to take a "hit" elsewhere (Brexit) to achieve their aims.

I cant see it happen but, there should be a free vote on a couple of the Brexit options and those MP's in "leave" constituencies should represent their voting public properly or, we could remain in the customs union, delivering a partial Brexit and "keep the band in the nick".

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Mon Jan 28, 2019 1:54 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

I agree about Corbyn but, equally, not ALL Tories will unite behind May on this one.
Just like Corbyn, there are factions and politicians in the Tory party that just want a turn in the BIG chair and they are prepared to take a "hit" elsewhere (Brexit) to achieve their aims.

I cant see it happen but, there should be a free vote on a couple of the Brexit options and those MP's in "leave" constituencies should represent their voting public properly or, we could remain in the customs union, delivering a partial Brexit and "keep the band in the nick".

The people had a vote, they voted leave, no other vote is required.

[Mild Rover]

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Mon Jan 28, 2019 2:03 pm  

MGarbutt1986 wrote:

The people had a vote, they voted leave, no other vote is required.

Do you support the deal Theresa May negotiated with the EU27?

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Mon Jan 28, 2019 2:03 pm  

MGarbutt1986 wrote:

The people had a vote, they voted leave, no other vote is required.

I was referring to our elected members in Westminster, not the general public.
Personally, I think that a second referendum would make things even worse (unless there was a huge swing - in either direction).

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Mon Jan 28, 2019 2:14 pm  

Mild Rover wrote:

Do you support the deal Theresa May negotiated with the EU27?

No, I'd prefer no deal.
I wish we had voted to stay, we didn't, it's as simple as that in my eyes.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Mon Jan 28, 2019 2:15 pm  

MGarbutt1986 wrote:

Leadership?
Strategy?

Does he have either?

Absolutely not

[Mild Rover]

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Mon Jan 28, 2019 3:02 pm  

MGarbutt1986 wrote:

No, I'd prefer no deal.
I wish we had voted to stay, we didn't, it's as simple as that in my eyes.

But you can why it isn’t clear cut in terms of type of Brexit, then?

I think I may have misunderstood your initial point though, tbh.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:00 pm  

MGarbutt1986 wrote:

No, I'd prefer no deal.

Cressida Dick - warns that no deal would make us less safe
Former head of MI5 - warns that no deal significantly reduces our domestic and national security
Airbus - will exit the UK in the event of a no deal
A consortium of food retailers warn that no deal will threaten our food security and raise prices
Various international companies warn of the consequences of no deal and make preparations to exit or scale down
EMA closes, losing 900 very highly skilled jobs and dramatically reducing our influence over pharma and medical science

And yet some people would 'prefer' no deal - it beggars belief; unless you're clinging on to the Michael Gove wisdom, that Britain is "sick of experts?"

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:29 pm  

bren2k wrote:

Cressida Dick - warns that no deal would make us less safe
Former head of MI5 - warns that no deal significantly reduces our domestic and national security
Airbus - will exit the UK in the event of a no deal
A consortium of food retailers warn that no deal will threaten our food security and raise prices
Various international companies warn of the consequences of no deal and make preparations to exit or scale down
EMA closes, losing 900 very highly skilled jobs and dramatically reducing our influence over pharma and medical science

And yet some people would 'prefer' no deal - it beggars belief; unless you're clinging on to the Michael Gove wisdom, that Britain is "sick of experts?"

It's astounding that people would advocate putting us in a position where we do not have a trade deal with a single nation. Not sure I recall any leave campaigns advocating WTO defaults as part of their "plan" to "take back control".

If Parliament can agree a deal, then we should leave under those terms. If they can't then there should be a public vote. No deal vs No Brexit.