Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:23 am  

It's going to be interesting to see what Jeremy Hunt has to say about the latest revelation: Tory donor handed huge NHS contract This really is the politics of the loony bin

It's going to be interesting to see what Jeremy Hunt has to say about the latest revelation: Tory donor handed huge NHS contract This really is the politics of the loony bin

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Tue Sep 03, 2013 6:45 am  

Got a letter recently about my daughter from the "NHS Community Child Health" - at least it has the NHS logo on. But, it also has a "Virgincare" logo too and the email address is a Virgincare one (positioned under the NHS logo). Seems like just about everything is now privatised. In my experience, any business with the "Virgin"name in it is to be avoided.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Tue Jun 17, 2014 4:58 pm  

The most recent Commonwealth Fund Comparative Study into Healthcare Systems shows that rather than being the "basket case" that the tories and their lapdog press would have us believe, our NHS actually ranks No.1 in all but three categories and of the remainder, we rank 2nd & 2rd with only "Healthy Lives" trailing at 10th (but still ahead of the USA)

The most recent Commonwealth Fund Comparative Study into Healthcare Systems shows that rather than being the "basket case" that the tories and their lapdog press would have us believe, our NHS actually ranks No.1 in all but three categories and of the remainder, we rank 2nd & 2rd with only "Healthy Lives" trailing at 10th (but still ahead of the USA)

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Tue Jun 17, 2014 7:13 pm  

cod'ead wrote: The most recent Commonwealth Fund Comparative Study into Healthcare Systems shows that rather than being the "basket case" that the tories and their lapdog press would have us believe, our NHS actually ranks No.1 in all but three categories and of the remainder, we rank 2nd & 2rd with only "Healthy Lives" trailing at 10th (but still ahead of the USA) How does this information tally with your 'NHS RIP' statement on 1 April 2013?

cod'ead wrote: The most recent Commonwealth Fund Comparative Study into Healthcare Systems shows that rather than being the "basket case" that the tories and their lapdog press would have us believe, our NHS actually ranks No.1 in all but three categories and of the remainder, we rank 2nd & 2rd with only "Healthy Lives" trailing at 10th (but still ahead of the USA) How does this information tally with your 'NHS RIP' statement on 1 April 2013?

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:52 pm  

cod'ead wrote: The most recent Commonwealth Fund Comparative Study into Healthcare Systems shows that rather than being the "basket case" that the tories and their lapdog press would have us believe, our NHS actually ranks No.1 in all but three categories and of the remainder, we rank 2nd & 2rd with only "Healthy Lives" trailing at 10th (but still ahead of the USA) What the Tories would have us believe? Not Andy Burnham, "Dr". Eoin "I'm very sorry I won't print these entirely false allegations again" Clarke or the Guardian? Still, it goes to show that privatisation in the NHS works. The NHS under the Tories, ranked number 1 in the world.

cod'ead wrote: The most recent Commonwealth Fund Comparative Study into Healthcare Systems shows that rather than being the "basket case" that the tories and their lapdog press would have us believe, our NHS actually ranks No.1 in all but three categories and of the remainder, we rank 2nd & 2rd with only "Healthy Lives" trailing at 10th (but still ahead of the USA) What the Tories would have us believe? Not Andy Burnham, "Dr". Eoin "I'm very sorry I won't print these entirely false allegations again" Clarke or the Guardian? Still, it goes to show that privatisation in the NHS works. The NHS under the Tories, ranked number 1 in the world.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:37 pm  

Ajw71 wrote:

How does this information tally with your 'NHS RIP' statement on 1 April 2013?

The figures are from 2011 numb nuts.

The tories hadn't even begun to start their decimation yet and hopefully they won't be allowed to continue for much longer

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:38 pm  

BobbyD wrote:

What the Tories would have us believe? Not Andy Burnham, "Dr". Eoin "I'm very sorry I won't print these entirely false allegations again" Clarke or the Guardian?

Still, it goes to show that privatisation in the NHS works. The NHS under the Tories, ranked number 1 in the world.

See above

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:23 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

See above

You should really look more carefully at what you post then, look across the bottom of the helpful table and it tells you where the info is taken from, years 2011, 2012 and 2013.

Numb nuts? That's all the likes of you have, insults to make up for a startling lack of intelligence.

Go on, tell us about how how privatisation of the NHS is evil and then how you voted for a party that promised to privatise the NHS.

Privatisation works. Accept it and move on. The Tories have saved the NHS.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:17 am  

BobbyD wrote:

You should really look more carefully at what you post then, look across the bottom of the helpful table and it tells you where the info is taken from, years 2011, 2012 and 2013.

Numb nuts? That's all the likes of you have, insults to make up for a startling lack of intelligence.

Go on, tell us about how how privatisation of the NHS is evil and then how you voted for a party that promised to privatise the NHS.

Privatisation works. Accept it and move on. The Tories have saved the NHS.

A public health policy using private companys funded by tax income can work in some sectors, but the "improvment" in services can be short term when a few years into the contract investors start to realise that there is no killing to be made in share trading when the business is tied to revenue incomes that are static, linked only to inflation or subject to varying political will -the only real way to increase profits year on year is to reduce costs or go back to your paymaster and complain that their demands and standards are too high and hint that you wont be interested at the next round of tender bids, depending on the political will prevailing at the time you'll probably get a sympathetic ear, particularly if some of the chiefs in your paymasters are private shareholders or are rather hoping to be on your payroll when they lose their current position.

You also have the undeniable fact that some sectors of healthcare are just too specialist labour intensive to run cheaply or at a profit at all -you wouldnt want an A&E dept run by temps or left unstaffed when a bean counter "forecasts" a period of low demand. What you end up with then is a basic public health provision of expensive unprofitable sectors with the rest of it cherry picked and in private hands - rather like the Spanish health service for instance - all of which is fine and dandy while you are young, fit and in work and can afford or are given private health cover, but no use to you whatsoever if you have a long term condition, are unemployed or retired, none of whom are welcome through the doors of your average private health provider.

I'll repeat this again, everyone who comments on this thread should first of all go to one of the private providers web sites and get a quote for a similer level of cover that they currently have in the NHS, its usually the "gold cover", then report back here what it would cost them, I have Aviva mailshotting me every month with quotes that range from £96 to £110 a month, thats just for me and not my family and is based on perfect health and no pre-existing conditions, and rather more sinister, certain limits on chronic or terminal conditions.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:19 am  

BobbyD wrote:

You should really look more carefully at what you post then, look across the bottom of the helpful table and it tells you where the info is taken from, years 2011, 2012 and 2013.

Numb nuts? That's all the likes of you have, insults to make up for a startling lack of intelligence.

Go on, tell us about how how privatisation of the NHS is evil and then how you voted for a party that promised to privatise the NHS.

Privatisation works. Accept it and move on. The Tories have saved the NHS.

A public health policy using private companys funded by tax income can work in some sectors, but the "improvment" in services can be short term when a few years into the contract investors start to realise that there is no killing to be made in share trading when the business is tied to revenue incomes that are static, linked only to inflation or subject to varying political will -the only real way to increase profits year on year is to reduce costs or go back to your paymaster and complain that their demands and standards are too high and hint that you wont be interested at the next round of tender bids, depending on the political will prevailing at the time you'll probably get a sympathetic ear, particularly if some of the chiefs in your paymasters are private shareholders or are rather hoping to be on your payroll when they lose their current position.

You also have the undeniable fact that some sectors of healthcare are just too specialist labour intensive to run cheaply or at a profit at all -you wouldnt want an A&E dept run by temps or left unstaffed when a bean counter "forecasts" a period of low demand. What you end up with then is a basic public health provision of expensive unprofitable sectors with the rest of it cherry picked and in private hands - rather like the Spanish health service for instance - all of which is fine and dandy while you are young, fit and in work and can afford or are given private health cover, but no use to you whatsoever if you have a long term condition, are unemployed or retired, none of whom are welcome through the doors of your average private health provider.

I'll repeat this again, everyone who comments on this thread should first of all go to one of the private providers web sites and get a quote for a similer level of cover that they currently have in the NHS, its usually the "gold cover", then report back here what it would cost them, I have Aviva mailshotting me every month with quotes that range from £96 to £110 a month, thats just for me and not my family and is based on perfect health and no pre-existing conditions, and rather more sinister, certain limits on chronic or terminal conditions.