Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:01 pm  

The Devil's Advocate wrote:

Back to the question I asked, what happens in the short / medium term?


So have I, the latest being a group of major supermarkets warning of chaos in a "No Deal" scenario . Who are those who believe everything is going to be peachy, surely not J.R.M. & the Dickensian's who make up the E.R.G? Maybe it's that bloke from Wetherspoon's, or perhaps the great Brexit traitor Dyson?

Deal or No Deal, either way those people from the deprived areas who facilitated this Tory right wing coup will still live in depredation, due to British Government policy, nothing to do with the E.U.

Short term we have the Implementation period, what is the medium term not sure what that is I will just go and get my crystal ball.

Whats it got to do with people living in deprived areas, are you pigeon holing leave voters by any chance, it wouldn't be the first time. I have had it said to me that leave voters were either morons or Racist. Until I enjoyed witching them squirm when me and my wife told them we voted to leave.

If the reports are to be believed, then Dyson moved his head office to Singapore to make the most of the Asian market which currently makes up 60% of his sales and growing. He currently employs I think it was £4000 people in the UK with no redundancies planned.

most people including me would be happy with a deal EU

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:06 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Unless there is significant proof of a swing in either direction (and I have yet to see one) there should NOT be a second referendum, end of story.
May be we could get rid of parliament altogether and have our very own fascist dictator (Farage).

Unbelievably a guy that was/is too right wing for the Tories is lauded as some kind of working class hero.

As for unelected bureaucrats, we still have the civil service and the House of Lords to fall back on

Can you explain why Farage is a fascist please ??

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:07 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Absolutely bang on, the turkeys voted for Christmas and as you rightly say, they (and we) will be right royally stuffed.
After all this time, we still await the positive news.
Control (whatever the feck that actually is), may well be taken back and we will pay less to the EU (although it's worth noting that a trade deal has yet to be struck and we will be £39 billion out of pocket) but, then what.
We increase immigration from outside the EU, which may have been part of the plan from the outset and STILL need to trade with our former friends in the EU.

When you say the Turkeys voted for Christmas, who are the Turkeys ??

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:29 pm  

POSTL wrote:

Short term we have the Implementation period, what is the medium term not sure what that is I will just go and get my crystal ball.

Sigh...

Sal Paradise wrote:

Long term leave no deal - the emerging markets are in Asia - and these countries will produce goods cheaper than EU even WTO tarifs. Time to move on

The Devil's Advocate wrote:

What about short / medium term?

If we crash out without a deal there would be no implementation period, so I'll ask one last time, what the hell happens in the short term, or is that another one for the crystal ball?

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:56 pm  

The Devil's Advocate wrote:

Sigh...

If we crash out without a deal there would be no implementation period, so I'll ask one last time, what the hell happens in the short term, or is that another one for the crystal ball?

Oh so your asking one last time that's so funny. In my honest opinion we won't leave without a deal, I believe. There is absolutely no appetite for it on either side, if as they say it's not good for either side, then, why would it happen. The biggest issue at the moment seems to be the Irish backstop and to be fair its not something I gave any thought to. But I believe the EU has now said they will leave without a deal rather than renegotiate the backstop. We will see eh.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:01 pm  

POSTL wrote:

When you say the Turkeys voted for Christmas, who are the Turkeys ??

In the context of Brexit, the Turkeys are leave voters, who IMO have voted for a bleaker future (for all of us)

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:14 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

In the context of Brexit, the Turkeys are leave voters, who IMO have voted for a bleaker future (for all of us)

Thats typical because I voted to leave I'm a turkey, have I categorised you for voting remain ??.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:34 pm  

I'd just like to congratulate the moronic MPs who voted to exclude no deal.

If 'no deal' was still on the table, the EU know their precious backstop could very well be replaced by a hard border, which absolutely no one wants. You cannot tell me they would sooner see a hard border than bend a little on the backstop? A time-limited backstop or a hard border? Hmmm...give me a moment.

Now we don't even have that bargaining chip. Hopefully May will disregard that idiotic amendment.

Oh and while I'm here:
Corbyn: we will vote down any deal the government bring to the table.
Also Corbyn: this house voted to remove the option of no deal.

Anyone spot the glaring issue with this?

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:41 pm  

I am just catching up with the latest goings on with the commons votes last night as I was in Bakewell.

Am I correct that they voted
1) yes to take non deal off the table
2) they then voted no to extending the time
3) Teresa May is now going back to the EU, to unpick and improve her own so called best and only deal.

Fills me with the upmost of confidence.

[Mild Rover]

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:07 pm  

Cronus wrote:

You cannot tell me they would sooner see a hard border than bend a little on the backstop? A time-limited backstop or a hard border? Hmmm...give me a moment.

That cuts two ways though. We can’t, with a straight face, call them for intransigence? Surely, as a nation, we’re not that lacking in self awareness?

Also, a time-limited backstop isn’t really backstop. What comes after the time runs out?

Cronus wrote:

Oh and while I'm here:
Corbyn: we will vote down any deal the government bring to the table.
Also Corbyn: this house voted to remove the option of no deal.

Anyone spot the glaring issue with this?

Is it that he hasn’t said the first of those things?