Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Tue May 12, 2020 2:26 pm  

Cronus wrote:

Well done Rishi & HMG. The furlough scheme now extended to the end of October, with flexibility from August to bring people back part-time and still participate in the scheme, with the employer also contributing.

Outstanding levels of support. Fantastic. Although it's likely most mortgage holidays will end within this period, this again helps protect and save millions of jobs and homes.

Any sniff of appreciation or gratitude from the left?

Anything?

Anyone?

Hello?

Yes, brilliant, well done Bojo and Rishi.
They still havent got to grips with the situation but, it's brilliant.

Incapable of a coherent plan but, could you just imagine for one moment if a Labour government had been running the show with the exact same scheme and try to be honest.
The broadsheets and other Tory rags would be in anti communist overdrive.

Ultimately, if the government are preventing people from working, there has to be something in place and lets face it, with no end in sight for the pandemic, NOBODY knows if Bojo & Co are doing the right thing or not - it certainly cant continue indefinitely and the longer it goes on, the more businesses will call it a day, this is scary stuff and not getting better and I'm talking the virus not the political side of things.

As I say, I dont know if you actually can say well done, because the truth is that nobody knows if the current actions are the best route.

Sweden have gone an entirely different route, although there are plenty of social distancing rules but, they haven't shut down their ecconomy, certainly, they look better placed for coming through the other side and I accept that their population is significantly different to our own.

So, well done ? I think we need to wait and see where we are heading, dont you ?

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Tue May 12, 2020 2:35 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Yes, brilliant, well done Bojo and Rishi.
They still havent got to grips with the situation but, it's brilliant.

Incapable of a coherent plan but, could you just imagine for one moment if a Labour government had been running the show with the exact same scheme and try to be honest.
The broadsheets and other Tory rags would be in anti communist overdrive.

Ultimately, if the government are preventing people from working, there has to be something in place and lets face it, with no end in sight for the pandemic, NOBODY knows if Bojo & Co are doing the right thing or not - it certainly cant continue indefinitely and the longer it goes on, the more businesses will call it a day, this is scary stuff and not getting better and I'm talking the virus not the political side of things.

As I say, I dont know if you actually can say well done, because the truth is that nobody knows if the current actions are the best route.

Sweden have gone an entirely different route, although there are plenty of social distancing rules but, they haven't shut down their ecconomy, certainly, they look better placed for coming through the other side and I accept that their population is significantly different to our own.

So, well done ? I think we need to wait and see where we are heading, dont you ?

Fantastic work financially (although how much of it is a smoke screen to deflect away from inadequacies in other areas I'm not sure).
However, as you say, none of this means anything to the potential 40k that have lost loved ones etc.
How many more deaths have been avoided by the actions the government took? Unknown and debatable
How may have died that didnt need to? Unknown and debatable and questions need to be asked.

With regards to Sweden I agree, however I heard a stat yesterday and still cant get my head round it.50% of the households in Sweden live alone?
And x amount more are married without kids and very rarely to peoppenover 25 live at home.
If that's the case then that completely changes their demographic to ours?

[Mild Rover]

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Tue May 12, 2020 4:49 pm  

Cronus wrote:

Well done Rishi & HMG. The furlough scheme now extended to the end of October, with flexibility from August to bring people back part-time and still participate in the scheme, with the employer also contributing.

Outstanding levels of support. Fantastic. Although it's likely most mortgage holidays will end within this period, this again helps protect and save millions of jobs and homes.

Any sniff of appreciation or gratitude from the left?

Anything?

Anyone?

Hello?

I think Sunak has done an entirely adequate job as Chancellor so far.

Want to mildly criticisize Gove for having a Holocaust denier’s book on his shelf, as a bit of quid pro quo?

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Tue May 12, 2020 5:07 pm  

I saw on twitter that Rishi Sunak has now announced more spending in three months as Chancellor than Gordon Brown did in 10 years.

If even right wingers now regard this as a policy to be applauded it shows how much Corbyn and McDonnell shifted the argument.

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Tue May 12, 2020 5:15 pm  

sally cinnamon wrote:

I saw on twitter that Rishi Sunak has now announced more spending in three months as Chancellor than Gordon Brown did in 10 years.

If even right wingers now regard this as a policy to be applauded it shows how much Corbyn and McDonnell shifted the argument.

It's got rock all to do with shifting the argument.
This really is needs must and plugging holes to prevent drowning.

As I mentioned in a previous post, just imagine the absolute outrage from the right wing politicians had Labour been in power at these most testing of times.
People are saying that Starmer should go along with the government and offer unequivocal support but, I stagger to think of how things would be the other way around (politically speaking).

Having started the furlough scheme and with lockdown not yet lifted for the vast majority of the population, Sunak had no choice here and the fiscal hole grows ever larger.

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Tue May 12, 2020 7:13 pm  

Oh yeah, if Labour were in power now doing the same thing, the Conservatives would be giving no end of lectures about "mortgaging our childrens' future" to create a weird society where the state actively pays people to stay indoors apart from a ritual every Thursday where they are encouraged to come out and clap for the NHS.

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Tue May 12, 2020 8:33 pm  

Mild Rover wrote:

I think Sunak has done an entirely adequate job as Chancellor so far.

Want to mildly criticisize Gove for having a Holocaust denier’s book on his shelf, as a bit of quid pro quo?

Nope. I have a book written by a Nazi on my book shelf, a fact I'm sure the mob on here will love.

Albert Speer's 'Inside the Third Reich'. Fascinating read, even if he does bend the truth to minimise his culpability.

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Tue May 12, 2020 9:35 pm  

Self preservation even applied to some of Hitler’s inner circle. This is different to a book that tries to say that the holocaust never happened. What would you say if the same book was in the possession of Corbyn, not so understanding I bet.

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Tue May 12, 2020 10:23 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

Self preservation even applied to some of Hitler’s inner circle. This is different to a book that tries to say that the holocaust never happened. What would you say if the same book was in the possession of Corbyn, not so understanding I bet.

I'm no expert on David Irving, but my understanding is that the book on Gove's shelf (The War Path) doesn't contain any element of holocaust denial, even if it does attempt very slightly to reduce some of the commonly held 'raving lunatic psychopath' element from Hitler's character. Most reviews seem to cast it as a decent if unremarkable 2nd part to the biography. And it seems his views on the holocaust only turned idiotic after this was written.

The criticism aimed at Gove is petty. It was largely driven by Owen Jones ffs, which should tell you a lot. Another pathetic example of "It Really Doesn't Matter". Many, many people have Mein Kampf on their shelves, Mao's Little Red Book and feck knows what else. I almost exclusively follow left-wing media online, and only a couple of right-leaning media. It gives me a wide view of how events are perceived.

Had I seen it on Corbyn's bookshelf I'd dismiss it in the same fashion. I dislike Corbyn's views for many reasons, but reading a biography by someone who later became a holocaust denier wouldn't be one of them. It's a bit like watching a Harvey Weinstein movie and enjoying it, or singing along to 'Another Rock n Roll Christmas'.

[Mild Rover]

Re: coronavirus and sport ? : Tue May 12, 2020 10:43 pm  

Cronus wrote:

Nope. I have a book written by a Nazi on my book shelf, a fact I'm sure the mob on here will love.

Albert Speer's 'Inside the Third Reich'. Fascinating read, even if he does bend the truth to minimise his culpability.

I’ll take your word for that.

However, I do think Journey to the End of the Night is a brilliant novel, despite the author’s antisemitism. And I still try to enjoy the work of the Smiths despite the lyricist’s conversion from contrarian to nasty bellendery. Y’know, for Johnny Marr’s sake.

The issue is that Irving is known primarily for his holocaust denial. It is good to read or converse with people you disagree with, but there’s a point at which it starts to look a bit icky and suspect. Tbf, Gove looks icky and suspect to me anyway. I take the point about this book possibly having been written before Irving went full blown loon, and it is possibly a difficult book to take to a charity shop. Corbyn would have been metaphorically eviscerated for similar and it’d be a real wtf for Starmer... tbh, I even think better of Johnson than that, despite the non-rejection of Tommy Robinson’s endorsement.

All that aside, what do you make of Gove?