Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Sat Nov 12, 2011 2:58 pm  

Anyway, before the election, Cameron promised more money for the NHS and no top-down reorganisation. Indeed, take a look at this poster, still on the Conservative website --> http://conservativehome.blogs.com/theto ... -nhs.htmlm "We can't go on like this, I'll cut the deficit, not the NHS". What are we seeing? A huge reduction in funding and a top-down re-organisation of a scale never seen since the NHS was first set-up. Thatcher began the dismantling of the post-war settlement and Cameron is out to finish the job off. Lansley's plan's are so opaque and, now, fragmented, that the public in general hasn't a clue what's going on ... and that's great for him, what better smokescreen could he have? Andy Burnham has noted Tory peers (some with links to private medical providers), who haven't been to the house in eons, now turning up solely for the debates on the NHS. And let's not forget that Lansley himself was funded by a private medical provider when in opposition. All very murky indeed.

Anyway, before the election, Cameron promised more money for the NHS and no top-down reorganisation. Indeed, take a look at this poster, still on the Conservative website --> http://conservativehome.blogs.com/theto ... -nhs.htmlm "We can't go on like this, I'll cut the deficit, not the NHS". What are we seeing? A huge reduction in funding and a top-down re-organisation of a scale never seen since the NHS was first set-up. Thatcher began the dismantling of the post-war settlement and Cameron is out to finish the job off. Lansley's plan's are so opaque and, now, fragmented, that the public in general hasn't a clue what's going on ... and that's great for him, what better smokescreen could he have? Andy Burnham has noted Tory peers (some with links to private medical providers), who haven't been to the house in eons, now turning up solely for the debates on the NHS. And let's not forget that Lansley himself was funded by a private medical provider when in opposition. All very murky indeed.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Sat Nov 12, 2011 4:39 pm  

Its OK, this is not a "top-down reorganisation of the NHS, its a bottom-up reorganisation, you're starting from very basic principles when you fire the people in charge and put a new company in to run it.

And in any case, its not the Tories anymore, its "The Coalition" thats doing all this and anything that the Tories promised pre-election is trumped by "We didn't know how bad it was until Gordon gave us the keys to the filing cabinets".

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:16 pm  

El Barbudo wrote: Anyway, before the election, Cameron promised more money for the NHS and no top-down reorganisation. Indeed, take a look at this poster, still on the Conservative website --> http://conservativehome.blogs.com/theto ... -nhs.htmlm "We can't go on like this, I'll cut the deficit, not the NHS". What are we seeing? A huge reduction in funding and a top-down re-organisation of a scale never seen since the NHS was first set-up. Thatcher began the dismantling of the post-war settlement and Cameron is out to finish the job off. Lansley's plan's are so opaque and, now, fragmented, that the public in general hasn't a clue what's going on ... and that's great for him, what better smokescreen could he have? Andy Burnham has noted Tory peers (some with links to private medical providers), who haven't been to the house in eons, now turning up solely for the debates on the NHS. And let's not forget that Lansley himself was funded by a private medical provider when in opposition. All very murky indeed. Tories have never liked the idea of the NHS.

El Barbudo wrote: Anyway, before the election, Cameron promised more money for the NHS and no top-down reorganisation. Indeed, take a look at this poster, still on the Conservative website --> http://conservativehome.blogs.com/theto ... -nhs.htmlm "We can't go on like this, I'll cut the deficit, not the NHS". What are we seeing? A huge reduction in funding and a top-down re-organisation of a scale never seen since the NHS was first set-up. Thatcher began the dismantling of the post-war settlement and Cameron is out to finish the job off. Lansley's plan's are so opaque and, now, fragmented, that the public in general hasn't a clue what's going on ... and that's great for him, what better smokescreen could he have? Andy Burnham has noted Tory peers (some with links to private medical providers), who haven't been to the house in eons, now turning up solely for the debates on the NHS. And let's not forget that Lansley himself was funded by a private medical provider when in opposition. All very murky indeed. Tories have never liked the idea of the NHS.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:18 pm  

Dead Man Walking wrote: Tories have never liked the idea of the NHS. neither did certain members of the previous labour government it seems ? http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/ ... e-provider and this little gem doesn't exactly help...... http://www.political-facts.co.uk/health ... Labour.htm

Dead Man Walking wrote: Tories have never liked the idea of the NHS. neither did certain members of the previous labour government it seems ? http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/ ... e-provider and this little gem doesn't exactly help...... http://www.political-facts.co.uk/health ... Labour.htm

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Sat Nov 12, 2011 9:50 pm  

sanjunien wrote: and this little gem doesn't exactly help...... http://www.political-facts.co.uk/health ... Labour.htm Oh aye, if you are gonna use a site like that to back up your argument I'd quit mate.

sanjunien wrote: and this little gem doesn't exactly help...... http://www.political-facts.co.uk/health ... Labour.htm Oh aye, if you are gonna use a site like that to back up your argument I'd quit mate.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Sun Nov 13, 2011 7:33 am  

Big Graeme wrote: Oh aye, if you are gonna use a site like that to back up your argument I'd quit mate. so how about the £12 BILLION disaster that was : http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/pub ... mme-today/ just imagine how many hospitals £12 BILLION could have helped !

Big Graeme wrote: Oh aye, if you are gonna use a site like that to back up your argument I'd quit mate. so how about the £12 BILLION disaster that was : http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/pub ... mme-today/ just imagine how many hospitals £12 BILLION could have helped !

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:22 am  

Tony Blair's government foisted a number of top-down reorganisations onto the NHS (plus continued privatisations - see NHS Logistics as but one example), hence David Cameron's pledge to strop such reorganisations. Now seen as the lie it was.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:29 am  

sanjunien wrote: so how about the £12 BILLION disaster that was : http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/pub ... mme-today/ just imagine how many hospitals £12 BILLION could have helped ! It is indefensible, just as indefensible as you trying to pass off http://www.political-facts.co.uk as a reputable source.

sanjunien wrote: so how about the £12 BILLION disaster that was : http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/pub ... mme-today/ just imagine how many hospitals £12 BILLION could have helped ! It is indefensible, just as indefensible as you trying to pass off http://www.political-facts.co.uk as a reputable source.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Sun Nov 13, 2011 11:29 am  

Circle admits care could suffer in drive for profits.

Circle admits care could suffer in drive for profits.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Sun Nov 13, 2011 12:15 pm  

Its terribly naive of me I know - but how can a hospital funded by the taxpayer make a profit ?