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Re: It's a Double dip : Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:12 pm  
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Smoke, mirrors or simply bullshit?


Just wondered how many that would equate to if multiplied by all the local authorities in the country. Seems to be quite alot.
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Re: It's a Double dip : Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:49 pm  
AS someone who works in the construction industry I can say that without doubt the past twelve months have been dreadful. The residual contracts from the previous government have come to an end and nothing has replaced them.
This doesn't just affect roads and construction, but also quarrying. With housing also being in the dumps it's been no picnic.
There is some truth in that the problem was caused by Labour's deficit. But then they were caught out by the recession. Gus O'Donnell (former head of the Civil Service) has admitted that he (and the Civil Service) didn't see it coming. The Darling budget of 2010 was designed to deal with the deficit but also to try and maintain the fragile growth that was in the economy.
Osbourne's 2010 budget and the autumn statement wrecked all that and stopped growth dead - people stopped spending because they could see what was coming.
Putting up VAT to 20% was the final nail in the coffin of the economy.
I reckon for the first 18 months or so a new government can blame problems on the last lot, but then it's all down to them as their policies start to take effect.
It's clear that this problem is totally down to Cameron and Osbourne "too far and too fast" is absolutely right. Why did they do it this way? Nothing to do with economics and everything to do with politics and election timing. Unfortunately they seem to have cocked up big style. They've painted themselves into a corner and it's hard to see how they can get out of the mess they've made without either a change of leadership or a general election.
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Re: It's a Double dip : Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:58 pm  
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Re: It's a Double dip : Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:08 pm  
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My Mrs has just been placed in the Support Group - what a huge relief.

Had the assessment only last week and after weeks of worrying it went well. She'd spent weeks reading horror stories of CCTV and trick questions and we'd prepared for most eventualities, but she was still very stressed.

Actually, when I say 'it went well', what I mean is they left her sitting in a crappy chair too long so she ended up in agony. Oddly, as soon as I asked for somewhere for her to lie down they were immediately ready for us. She then had to carry out the assessment lying on the examination table (a first for our assessor, apparently) and they didn't carry out the physical assessment as she was in no state. The sheer effort and stress caused a bit of a panic/stress attack as she was barely able to walk, floods of tears ensued and she had to spend time recovering in a side room. All in all, a lovely morning!

However, all that has gone in her favour as far as the assessment was concerned. She got her letter this morning and is - correctly - in the Support Group. Amazed by such a rapid response but it was pretty clear she's not faking.



Great news Cronus - I'm sure you both must feel relieved that she got the right outcome. It is such a worry for so many of us.
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Re: It's a Double dip : Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:16 pm  
When some Labour nice person leaves you a note saying there is no money left, good luck, you know your going to have a job on your hands.
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Re: It's a Double dip : Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:21 pm  
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When some Labour nice person leaves you a note saying there is no money left, good luck, you know your going to have a job on your hands.

And they're not up to it either
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Re: It's a Double dip : Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:27 pm  
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When some Labour nice person leaves you a note saying there is no money left, good luck, you know your going to have a job on your hands.


And they've dealt with is so efficiently haven't they?
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Re: It's a Double dip : Wed Apr 25, 2012 9:42 pm  
Seems from Newsnight that HMG's likely response is likely to be Plan A+ - ie harder cuts, more deregulation, etc. So tougher times ahead in the short to medium term.
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Re: It's a Double dip : Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:03 pm  
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When some Labour nice person leaves you a note saying there is no money left, good luck, you know your going to have a job on your hands.


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Re: It's a Double dip : Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:29 pm  
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When some Labour nice person leaves you a note saying there is no money left, good luck, you know your going to have a job on your hands.

It was a stupid thing to do, but I believe it was a joke between two friends (not politically) I don't think it was expected to be spread all over the press. After all when Maudling, picking up personal stuff from his former office in the Treasury, saw Callaghan, the new Chancellor looking through the mess the Home government left for the incoming 1964 Wilson government, he said "sorry to have left such a mess old cock" This didn't come out until 30 years after the event. This government are keen to seize on any pretext to smear their predessessors - like Pickles dredging up Prescott's expenses claims.
Presumably it flows from the tone set by the oily Cameron and the spineless Osbourne.
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