Re: Kelvin MacKenzie : Thu Sep 13, 2012 9:41 pm  

JerryChicken wrote:

I'm surprised that anyone can think that the best efforts of Sth Yorks Police and Ambulance and the Thatcher Government were anything but class and politically inspired and indeed Jack Straw has said as much today and been shot down by Norman Tebbitt (like you'd trust his take on things), I can only think that those who suggest otherwise were probably too young to appreciate the vicious class war that was conducted throughout the 1980s, the battering of the unions, the crushing of the likes of Derek Hatton and Ken Livingstone - some of this may have been deserved depending on your point of view but when those in authority falsify documents and facts and then go further to incriminate those whom they regarded (at the time) as being from an area of direct opposition to them politically, then you are treading into very dangerous ground, the sort of distorting of the truth that we are more used to seeing in South American dictatorships, its hardly surprising that even senior Tories finally turned against Thatcher before we started to see opposition politicians "disappear" as in Chile and Argentina.

Sorry, but Thatcher smashing the unions, scargill, Hatton, and livingstone was simply brilliant, simply brilliant. As for you thinking Thatcher suddenly going all Pinochet and making opposition politicians disappear, stay off the heroin.

Re: Kelvin MacKenzie : Thu Sep 13, 2012 9:46 pm  

World of Redboy wrote:

Sorry, but Thatcher smashing the unions, scargill, Hatton, and livingstone was simply brilliant, simply brilliant. As for you thinking Thatcher suddenly going all Pinochet and making opposition politicians disappear, stay off the heroin.

LOL

Re: Kelvin MacKenzie : Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:07 am  

Dally wrote:

Deary me. The extrapolations and flights of fancy people come up with!

Pretty much how many people thought about the Hillsborough families fight for the truth.

Look how that ended up.

Re: Kelvin MacKenzie : Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:09 am  

LFC FANS DID NOT CAUSE HILLSBOROUGH!!

I wonder if any of the fans who turned up without a ticket and entered the stadium feel any guilt?

Re: Kelvin MacKenzie : Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:14 am  

east stander wrote:

I wonder if any of the fans who turned up without a ticket and entered the stadium feel any guilt?

Have you asked any of them?

Re: Kelvin MacKenzie : Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:29 am  

east stander wrote:

I wonder if any of the fans who turned up without a ticket and entered the stadium feel any guilt?

Probably both of them.

Re: Kelvin MacKenzie : Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:50 am  

east stander wrote:

I wonder if any of the fans who turned up without a ticket and entered the stadium feel any guilt?

Can you enlighten us on what evidence you base your allegation that any significant number did?

In the cold world of facts, the game was a sellout, and only 24 people more than its official capacity entered the Leppings Lane end. Is it those 24?

[Kosh]

Re: Kelvin MacKenzie : Fri Sep 14, 2012 9:15 am  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Can you enlighten us on what evidence you base your allegation that any significant number did?

In the cold world of facts, the game was a sellout, and only 24 people more than its official capacity entered the Leppings Lane end. Is it those 24?

Some folk just don't want to accept the facts. I actually had a work colleague complain yesterday that the Panel's report was flawed because it hadn't 'put the other side' forward. He didn't seem able to comprehend that there was no other 'side'.

Re: Kelvin MacKenzie : Fri Sep 14, 2012 9:41 am  

Kosh wrote:

Some folk just don't want to accept the facts. I actually had a work colleague complain yesterday that the Panel's report was flawed because it hadn't 'put the other side' forward. He didn't seem able to comprehend that there was no other 'side'.

I reckon it's part of the human condition in modern times. Looking at your avatar for instance, there are tens of thousands, maybe more, who will forever be entirely convinced that Neil Armstrong never set foot on the moon. The same people probably all claim experiencing alien anal probes, and having seen alien spacecraft. Wouldn't be surprised if denial in the face of the most overwhelming evidence is probably now a recognised psychiatric condition in its own right.

Re: Kelvin MacKenzie : Fri Sep 14, 2012 9:44 am  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Wouldn't be surprised if denial in the face of the most overwhelming evidence is probably now a recognised psychiatric condition in its own right.

It's called 'religion', isn't it?