Re: Marriage Equality Vote Today : Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:19 pm  

Rock God X wrote:

And yours is demonstrably stupid. There's literally not a single shred of evidence to suggest that homosexuality will one day become socially unacceptable. You might wish that it was so, but that's not the same thing.

OK Mr Genius. As I said, learn the lessons of history. 1920s Berlin had may gay bars, etc and a flourishing "gay scene." By 1933 (less than 10 years later) gays were being shipped off to concentarion camps to die in their tens of thousands. That is something that happened in the lifetimes of our older citizens.

You stick to your rabid rantings. I'll take a balanced view and point out the potential shortcomings of your hubris.

Re: Marriage Equality Vote Today : Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:27 pm  

Dally wrote:

Rock God X wrote:

And yours is demonstrably stupid. There's literally not a single shred of evidence to suggest that homosexuality will one day become socially unacceptable. You might wish that it was so, but that's not the same thing.

OK Mr Genius. as i said learn the lessons of history. 1920s Berlin had may gay bars, etc and a flourishing "gay scene." By 1933 (less than 10 years later) they were being shipped off to concentarion camps to die in their tens of thousands. That is something that happened in the lifetimes of our older citizens.

You stick to your rabid rantings. I'll take a balanced view and point out the potential shortcomings of your hubris.

Wow. You're seriously using what happened in Nazi Germany in the 1930s as evidence of what might happen in Britain in the 21st century? Deary me.

Being a practicing homosexual has been legal in this country for several decades. Civil partnerships have been around for 10 years. You're not seriously suggesting that equal marriage is suddenly going to turn the tide against homosexual people, are you? Because that would make you a gigantic idiot.

Most people support this legislation, and it's just one more nail in the coffin of pathetic bigots like you and the Archbishop of Canterbury. No amount of wishful thinking on your part will change that.

Re: Marriage Equality Vote Today : Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:36 pm  

Rock God X wrote:

Yes votes: 400 No votes: 175

A victory for common decency.

So, this gay marriage vote was just to allow same sex couples to get married in church then?

Re: Marriage Equality Vote Today : Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:39 pm  

World of Redboy wrote:

Rock God X wrote:

Yes votes: 400 No votes: 175

A victory for common decency.

So, this gay marriage vote was just to allow same sex couples to get married in church then?

Only where the Church agrees. It also allows for civil marriages to be recognised as 'marriages' rather than 'partnerships'.

Re: Marriage Equality Vote Today : Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:42 pm  

Rock God X wrote:

:lol:

Wow. You're seriously using what happened in Nazi Germany in the 1930s as evidence of what might happen in Britain in the 21st century? Deary me.

Being a practicing homosexual has been legal in this country for several decades. Civil partnerships have been around for 10 years. You're not seriously suggesting that equal marriage is suddenly going to turn the tide against homosexual people, are you? Because that would make you a gigantic idiot.

Most people support this legislation, and it's just one more nail in the coffin of pathetic bigots like you and the Archbishop of Canterbury. No amount of wishful thinking on your part will change that.

Your naivety knows no bounds. What is different in the 21 Century to any other? Human nature does not change. Our economic position and line up of potential scapegoats puts us in a very similar position to late 1920s Germany. Britain could lurch to the far-right very quickly. If in doubt look at some of the comments against this article in illiterate Middle England's online rags - the Daily Express and Daily Mail. The average Telegraph reader and Times reader is probably somewhat further to the right of those people.

Interesting that you call me a bigot when I have expressed no opinion on the issue in this thread, whereas you have shouted down everyone!

Re: Marriage Equality Vote Today : Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:48 pm  

Rock God X wrote:

Not to mention the 175 narrow-minded wankers who voted against the bill in the Commons. Hopefully, a good proportion of them will be out of a job in 2015.

Maybe they voted in accordance with their constituents / supporters wishes (ie acted in a democratic fashion)? That's certainly what one explained of R5. I think you underestimate the strength of feeling there is on this issue among the middle classes. The issue came up at a house party with our local MP a couple of years ago and I was taken aback by the strength of feeling there was.

I suspect MPs in marginal seats who voted for it will be more at risk.

Re: Marriage Equality Vote Today : Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:49 pm  

If the church have any sense they'll say no. I'm an atheist, so dislike religion. However we allow religion and I'm sure the 3 main religions don't endorse homosexuality, so we have given them the right to refuse to marry same sex couples in their places of worship.

Re: Marriage Equality Vote Today : Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:56 pm  

Dally wrote:

Rock God X wrote:

:lol:

Wow. You're seriously using what happened in Nazi Germany in the 1930s as evidence of what might happen in Britain in the 21st century? Deary me.

Being a practicing homosexual has been legal in this country for several decades. Civil partnerships have been around for 10 years. You're not seriously suggesting that equal marriage is suddenly going to turn the tide against homosexual people, are you? Because that would make you a gigantic idiot.

Most people support this legislation, and it's just one more nail in the coffin of pathetic bigots like you and the Archbishop of Canterbury. No amount of wishful thinking on your part will change that.

Your naivety knows no bounds. What is different in the 21 Century to any other? Human nature does not change. Our economic position and line up of potential scapegoats puts us in a very similar position to late 1920s Germany. Britain could lurch to the far-right very quickly. If in doubt look at some of the comments against this article in illiterate Middle England's online rags - the Daily Express and Daily Mail. The average Telegraph reader and Times reader is probably somewhat further to the right of those people.

Interesting that you call me a bigot when I have expressed no opinion on the issue in this thread, whereas you have shouted down everyone!

I call you a bigot based on your posting habits in general, particularly on the subject of homosexuality.

The knuckle-dragging far right element in this country represent a small minority of the population. There's absolutely no way the scenario you have dreamt up in your feverish little fantasies is going to unfold.

Over the last hundred years or so, society has become (very) gradually more equal and tolerant of the differences of others. This march towards equality for all citizens is going only one way - there will be no turning back.

Re: Marriage Equality Vote Today : Tue Feb 05, 2013 9:00 pm  

Dally wrote:

Rock God X wrote:

Not to mention the 175 narrow-minded wankers who voted against the bill in the Commons. Hopefully, a good proportion of them will be out of a job in 2015.

Maybe they voted in accordance with their constituents / supporters wishes (ie acted in a democratic fashion)? That's certainly what one explained of R5. I think you underestimate the strength of feeling there is on this issue among the middle classes. The issue came up at a house party with our local MP a couple of years ago and I was taken aback by the strength of feeling there was.

I suspect MPs in marginal seats who voted for it will be more at risk.

They voted in accordance with their own prejudices, backed up by their selective reading of their favourite book of unsupported myths.

That a few middle Englanders feel very strongly about it doesn't alter the fact that most of the population support the legislation as being timely and necessary.

Re: Marriage Equality Vote Today : Tue Feb 05, 2013 9:08 pm  

Rock God X wrote:

. This march towards equality for all citizens is going only one way - there will be no turning back.

Why do you think that? History shows that not to be the case. So there has been no turning back on collective pay bargaining and union power, no prospective turning back on employment rights, no actual reduction in employment rights, no turning back on the welfare state, etc, etc. etc?

As I have said umpteen times "rights" are granted by the powerful - whether a few powerful people or the silent majority - to others. When the powerful think their benevolence is being abused they withdraw rights and often harshly.