Re: Scargill was right! : Tue Jan 07, 2014 8:39 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote: Can you provide evidence only a few people purchased the track over and over? And yes that's 3k in Trafalgar Square, with more throughout the towns and cities of Britain. They didn't celebrate as much when Shipman died. In fact I struggle to remember anyone since Hitler whose death was greeted with as much celebration in this country. It is forever now, recorded historical fact that large numbers of people actively celebrated her death, whereas the man she dismissed as a terrorist was almost universally mourned. I can think of no more clear cut decision that history can hand down to a PM than dying an old, irrelevant woman, unable to wipe her own bottom, still hated, still reviled, with people dancing on her grave. I don't believe in an afterlife, so that is just about as close to hell as I can imagine. Three thousand people out of a population of c.65 million. Wow. I imagine 'large' numbers of people in the Confederate States of America celebrated the death of Abe Lincoln. Doesn't really affect how he is viewed now. You want to look at various rankings of British prime ministers through the years. They are nicely collated here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical ... st_war_PMs You will notice Thatcher is ranked highly across various polls / surveys. Doesn't really tally with your earlier statement does it? By all means have your opinion, but don't tell me it's what the majority believe because it's not.

SmokeyTA wrote: Can you provide evidence only a few people purchased the track over and over? And yes that's 3k in Trafalgar Square, with more throughout the towns and cities of Britain. They didn't celebrate as much when Shipman died. In fact I struggle to remember anyone since Hitler whose death was greeted with as much celebration in this country. It is forever now, recorded historical fact that large numbers of people actively celebrated her death, whereas the man she dismissed as a terrorist was almost universally mourned. I can think of no more clear cut decision that history can hand down to a PM than dying an old, irrelevant woman, unable to wipe her own bottom, still hated, still reviled, with people dancing on her grave. I don't believe in an afterlife, so that is just about as close to hell as I can imagine. Three thousand people out of a population of c.65 million. Wow. I imagine 'large' numbers of people in the Confederate States of America celebrated the death of Abe Lincoln. Doesn't really affect how he is viewed now. You want to look at various rankings of British prime ministers through the years. They are nicely collated here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical ... st_war_PMs You will notice Thatcher is ranked highly across various polls / surveys. Doesn't really tally with your earlier statement does it? By all means have your opinion, but don't tell me it's what the majority believe because it's not.

Re: Scargill was right! : Tue Jan 07, 2014 8:43 pm  

Ajw71 wrote: Three thousand people out of a population of c.65 million. Wow. I imagine 'large' numbers of people in the Confederate States of America celebrated the death of Abe Lincoln. Doesn't really affect how he is viewed now. You want to look at various rankings of British prime ministers through the years. They are nicely collated here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical ... st_war_PMs You will notice Thatcher is ranked highly across various polls / surveys. Doesn't really tally with your earlier statement does it? By all means have your opinion, but don't tell me it's what the majority believe because it's not. Bloody hell, I'm not getting involved with a surveys and Thatcher. Can't we just post the link to the last time you tried that and were chewed up and spat out by various posters? Seems quicker and easier if I'm honest

Ajw71 wrote: Three thousand people out of a population of c.65 million. Wow. I imagine 'large' numbers of people in the Confederate States of America celebrated the death of Abe Lincoln. Doesn't really affect how he is viewed now. You want to look at various rankings of British prime ministers through the years. They are nicely collated here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical ... st_war_PMs You will notice Thatcher is ranked highly across various polls / surveys. Doesn't really tally with your earlier statement does it? By all means have your opinion, but don't tell me it's what the majority believe because it's not. Bloody hell, I'm not getting involved with a surveys and Thatcher. Can't we just post the link to the last time you tried that and were chewed up and spat out by various posters? Seems quicker and easier if I'm honest

Re: Scargill was right! : Tue Jan 07, 2014 8:54 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

Bloody hell, I'm not getting involved with a surveys and Thatcher. Can't we just post the link to the last time you tried that and were chewed up and spat out by various posters? Seems quicker and easier if I'm honest

The last time I posted it, 'Him' who has a similar viewpoint to yours on this matter but has yet to produce a shred of evidence to support his opinion (at least you have, albeit very weak) attempted to discredit every single poll / survey including those of thousands of people simply because he said so. Quite ridiculous really.

Strange isn't it don't you think? You state that she was 'found wanting' etc etc. Then surely she should be at the bottom of these polls / surveys, shouldn't she?

Re: Scargill was right! : Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:02 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Some interesting points - I have read Mazzucato's book and it does indeed raise some interesting concepts/theories - I am not sure how practical many of them are. The idea that the state is the route of innovation is flawed for me. If you look at drug treatment virtually every advancement in drug care has come from the private sector.

Really? Jonas Salks family will be please to hear that I'm sure. Must billions on its way to them. Louis Pasteur, Edward Jenner too

Developments in serious medical machines, MRI scanners etc, have all come from the private sector.

Madame Curie, Wilhelm Rontgen and Herman Carr Vladislav Ivanov (a Russian communist no less) are very surprised to hear this. Sir Peter Mansfield (of Nottingham University) and Paul Lauterbur (university of Illinois) asked who at Glaxosmithklne they should give their Nobel prize for discoveries concerning magnetic resonance imaging to?

Engine technology particularly internal combustion and jet engines are driven by private enterprise. Computer technology/communication technology is again private.

Charles Babbage, Alan Turing sir Tim Berners-Lee, max Newman and Tom Kilburn might disagree.

Re: Scargill was right! : Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:17 pm  

Ajw71 wrote:

The last time I posted it, 'Him' who has a similar viewpoint to yours on this matter but has yet to produce a shred of evidence to support his opinion (at least you have, albeit very weak) attempted to discredit every single poll / survey including those of thousands of people simply because he said so. Quite ridiculous really.

Strange isn't it don't you think? You state that she was 'found wanting' etc etc. Then surely she should be at the bottom of these polls / surveys, shouldn't she?

The first 5 of those have sample sizes of 106, 258, 20, 22 and 1. Come with me to Grimethorpe and we cane find 200 people and ask thm what they think of her and pretend that's representative if you want?

Re: Scargill was right! : Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:20 pm  

Ajw71 wrote:

You will notice Thatcher is ranked highly across various polls / surveys.

You really are a glutton for punishment aren't you

Too much battery licking methinks.

Re: Scargill was right! : Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:50 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

The first 5 of those have sample sizes of 106, 258, 20, 22 and 1. Come with me to Grimethorpe and we cane find 200 people and ask thm what they think of her and pretend that's representative if you want?

and the poll with 27,000 responses....and the BBC poll with over 30,000?

Take your Grimethorpe polll and come back to me.

The fact is history is remembering her as a successful prime minister, whether you like it or not. In 100 years time when the bitter pockets of hatred for Thatcher have long since been forgotten school children will look at these polls / surveys and see what the great British public thought / think of the Iron Lady. History is written by the victors and she was certainly victorious.

Re: Scargill was right! : Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:54 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

Really? Jonas Salks family will be please to hear that I'm sure. Must billions on its way to them. Louis Pasteur, Edward Jenner too
Madame Curie, Wilhelm Rontgen and Herman Carr Vladislav Ivanov (a Russian communist no less) are very surprised to hear this. Sir Peter Mansfield (of Nottingham University) and Paul Lauterbur (university of Illinois) asked who at Glaxosmithklne they should give their Nobel prize for discoveries concerning magnetic resonance imaging to? Charles Babbage, Alan Turing sir Tim Berners-Lee, max Newman and Tom Kilburn might disagree.

As might Karl Benz, Raymond Damadian might have something to say about the award to Mansfield & Lauterbur, Rolls Royce, IBM, Johannes Gutenberg, James Black/ICI, John Vane/Wellcome David Wong/Eli Lilly we could go on and on.

Re: Scargill was right! : Tue Jan 07, 2014 10:00 pm  

Big Graeme wrote:

You really are a glutton for punishment aren't you

Too much battery licking methinks.

You know when I mentioned left wing types and their childish comments.......?

Might be a good idea if you reverted to type and locked it, as I can't really see any educated discussion coming any time soon.

Tomorrow's another day Big Man.

Re: Scargill was right! : Tue Jan 07, 2014 10:23 pm  

rumpelstiltskin wrote:

You know when I mentioned left wing types and their childish comments.......?

Yu are aware of the posters history with polls? It's a valid comment my friend

rumpelstiltskin wrote:

Might be a good idea if you reverted to type and locked it, as I can't really see any educated discussion coming any time soon.

Tomorrow's another day Big Man.

You need better bait, I've not locked anything for quite some time