Re: Cancellation of passports : Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:42 am  

West Leeds Rhino wrote:

One man's unrealistic ideal is another man's challenge.

Just because the Israeli's have dug in doesn't mean it's impossible to reach a middle ground between the two. I understand the mindset of the Israeli's, but that shouldn't mean that it's OK for them to do what they have/are doing and that nothing should be done about it. Good job people didn't say that about Hitler!*

The qualification that Israel are allowed to take land on the premise of what it says in a story book is ridiculous. Not just because the earths crust is constantly moving.

*I am not comparing Hitler and the Israeli's

I'm not saying it's "ok" for them to act as they do, and I've certainly not tried to qualify their land grab - but realistically, what can be done about it? That's the question I keep asking you but you avoid.

Saying there should be a middle ground and they should pull back to old borders is a lovely romantic ideal, but it simply will not happen. Yes, there should and they should, but there won't be and they won't. The Israelis have built populated settlements, roads and other infrastructure in those areas. They would never, ever force fellow Israelis out of their homes to resettle Palestinians.

Only if there's a complete change in leadership, policy and mindset in the Israeli leadership, and if the entire international community comes down hard with sanctions and unified condemnation, will you see any softening of their stance but it's unlikely any significant land will ever be handed back. The best you can hope for is an improvement in the living conditions of Palestinians and a cessation of hostilities - and for that you need Hamas to comply.

And if you remember there was a bit of a fight to sort Hitler out. Is that a solution you advocate? But perhaps Godwin's isn't the way to go.

Re: Cancellation of passports : Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:01 pm  

Cronus wrote:

Don't be another Chris28, full of critical questions but never any meaningful suggestions.

Like a lot of people I don't have any meaningful suggestions and as it happens I agree with a lot of what you've posted. I honestly don't see how this can be stopped while both sides are so entrenched and one side is allowed to ignore UN resolutions while the other sends suicide bombers.

Edit - if I had any meaningful suggestions I wouldn't be on a rugby league message board.

And no need to get personal either, or is that a pic of you raging in your avatar

Re: Cancellation of passports : Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:09 pm  

Cronus wrote:

I'm not saying it's "ok" for them to act as they do, and I've certainly not tried to qualify their land grab - but realistically, what can be done about it? That's the question I keep asking you but you avoid.

Saying there should be a middle ground and they should pull back to old borders is a lovely romantic ideal, but it simply will not happen. Yes, there should and they should, but there won't be and they won't. The Israelis have built populated settlements, roads and other infrastructure in those areas. They would never, ever force fellow Israelis out of their homes to resettle Palestinians.

Only if there's a complete change in leadership, policy and mindset in the Israeli leadership, and if the entire international community comes down hard with sanctions and unified condemnation, will you see any softening of their stance but it's unlikely any significant land will ever be handed back. The best you can hope for is an improvement in the living conditions of Palestinians and a cessation of hostilities - and for that you need Hamas to comply.

And if you remember there was a bit of a fight to sort Hitler out. Is that a solution you advocate? But perhaps Godwin's isn't the way to go.

Sorry it's taken so long to reply, but to be honest, I can't think of anything else to put without repeating what I've said and agreeing with you. What I think should happen and what is realistic are two separate things, I agree.

I honestly don't think that this conflict will ever go away without Israel completely crushing Palestine. This would create a much larger conflict that would probably create a third world war by proxy although now is the time for Israel to strike (like they are) while other Palestinian supporting nations are busy at home.

Re: Cancellation of passports : Fri Jul 25, 2014 7:33 pm  

Anonymous has successfully taken down numerous Israeli government websites along with publishing the names and personal details of high ranking Israeli army officials. I don't condone cyber attacks myself, it's just anonymous' way of showing their support for gaza.


#gazaunderattack
#tangodown
@youranonnews