Re: IS and the Western response : Thu Aug 21, 2014 11:52 pm  

To be honest, having watched some IS atrocities on youtube, though not the murder of James Foley, I am quite happy for the Yanks to bomb IS until they can't find anything bigger than a tooth or fingernail.

Re: IS and the Western response : Fri Aug 22, 2014 6:57 am  

dr_feelgood wrote:

To be honest, having watched some IS atrocities on youtube, though not the murder of James Foley, I am quite happy for the Yanks to bomb IS until they can't find anything bigger than a tooth or fingernail.

have you watched any videos of the American atrocities in Vietnam/Japan/Iraq?

Re: IS and the Western response : Fri Aug 22, 2014 8:16 am  

Standee wrote:

have you watched any videos of the American atrocities in Vietnam/Japan/Iraq?

No doubt if we'd had social media in the times of the crusades there would be plenty to see

But it still doesnt make it ok to murder innocent communities

Re: IS and the Western response : Fri Aug 22, 2014 2:10 pm  

Standee wrote:

have you watched any videos of the American atrocities in Vietnam/Japan/Iraq?

I bet those videos didn't stay up for long though on YouTube.

Re: IS and the Western response : Fri Aug 22, 2014 6:52 pm  

Coddy, Israeli s/Jews are not murdering scum ergo they can never be lumped in the same category as those murdering jihadist/IS/Hamas etc scum bags

HTH

Also just because you are born in a certain country doesnt make you a national of that country.
When we were stationed in Singapore in the mid 60s friends of the family had a baby girl born over there in Changi. she was British not Singaporean.
Same goes for all forces kids born abroad.They are Brits.

Re: IS and the Western response : Fri Aug 22, 2014 8:09 pm  

CORNISH wrote: ... Also just because you are born in a certain country doesnt make you a national of that country. Nobody argued it does. CORNISH wrote: ...When we were stationed in Singapore in the mid 60s friends of the family had a baby girl born over there in Changi. she was British not Singaporean. Same goes for all forces kids born abroad.They are Brits. To be more accurate, they can be registered as Brits. And would not be eligible to be Singaporean anyway, unless one parent was. Most countries have different categories, such as nationality by birth, and, in this case, nationality by descent. https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/261503/bn4.pdf

CORNISH wrote: ... Also just because you are born in a certain country doesnt make you a national of that country. Nobody argued it does. CORNISH wrote: ...When we were stationed in Singapore in the mid 60s friends of the family had a baby girl born over there in Changi. she was British not Singaporean. Same goes for all forces kids born abroad.They are Brits. To be more accurate, they can be registered as Brits. And would not be eligible to be Singaporean anyway, unless one parent was. Most countries have different categories, such as nationality by birth, and, in this case, nationality by descent. https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/261503/bn4.pdf

Re: IS and the Western response : Sat Aug 23, 2014 10:12 am  

Standee wrote:

have you watched any videos of the American atrocities in Vietnam/Japan/Iraq?

I have seen some footage of Viet Nam though obviously, due to camera phones not being invented at the time, there is not as much about and surely most people know about My Lai now. The mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners is well documented however thanks to modern technology.

Atrocities occur in all wars and though some people on here won't want to hear it some of them were also perpetrated by British troops e.g. during the Mau Mau Rebellion.

I would like to think that instances of allied troops committing such acts are rare, but I doubt it.

The difference is that the IS routinely execute prisoner and civilians as a matter of course to instil fear in the locals. Beheadings are commonplace as are crucifictions (the latter mercifully post shooting). In one instance captured Iraqi soldiers were beheaded and their severed heads put on spikes lining the roads (footage of all this on youtube). This is going back to the dark ages and if this persists I am sure genocide of the Shia muslims in IS controlled areas will ensue.

The Israelis are also comitting war crimes. I see no distinction between the IDF and IS. Hamas are also violating human rights and committing was crimes e.g. the recent execution of civilians for allegedly collaborating with the Israelis.

I think that a political solution can be sought about Gaza, but sadly don't see this being the case with the IS and that the only solution to avoid mass murder of innocent civillians is the military option.

Re: IS and the Western response : Sat Aug 23, 2014 11:03 am  

dr_feelgood wrote:

I have seen some footage of Viet Nam though obviously, due to camera phones not being invented at the time, there is not as much about and surely most people know about My Lai now. The mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners is well documented however thanks to modern technology.

Atrocities occur in all wars and though some people on here won't want to hear it some of them were also perpetrated by British troops e.g. during the Mau Mau Rebellion.

I would like to think that instances of allied troops committing such acts are rare, but I doubt it.

The difference is that the IS routinely execute prisoner and civilians as a matter of course to instil fear in the locals. Beheadings are commonplace as are crucifictions (the latter mercifully post shooting). In one instance captured Iraqi soldiers were beheaded and their severed heads put on spikes lining the roads (footage of all this on youtube). This is going back to the dark ages and if this persists I am sure genocide of the Shia muslims in IS controlled areas will ensue.

The Israelis are also comitting war crimes. I see no distinction between the IDF and IS. Hamas are also violating human rights and committing was crimes e.g. the recent execution of civilians for allegedly collaborating with the Israelis.

I think that a political solution can be sought about Gaza, but sadly don't see this being the case with the IS and that the only solution to avoid mass murder of innocent civillians is the military option.

and you recall what we did to Dick Turpin, Guido Fawkes?

we're no better, and should stop claiming to be.

Christianity is nor more or less valid than Islam, where were we in Cambodia when the Khmer Rouge were doing exactly what IS are?

not our fight, leave them to it.

Re: IS and the Western response : Sat Aug 23, 2014 11:14 am  

CORNISH wrote:

Coddy, Israeli s/Jews are not murdering scum ergo they can never be lumped in the same category as those murdering jihadist/IS/Hamas etc scum bags.

Acknowledging the flag in your signature, could you explain this in more detail?

As far as I'm concerned Hamas and the Israeli government are both a set of utter scum bags, killing innocent children for a political point, but I'm happy to await your view

Re: IS and the Western response : Sat Aug 23, 2014 8:50 pm  

CORNISH wrote:

Coddy, Israeli s/Jews are not murdering scum ergo they can never be lumped in the same category as those murdering jihadist/IS/Hamas etc scum bags

HTH

I was waiting for you to raise the six-pointed star.

FYI, I have no axe to grind against people of Jewish faith, apart from the fact that religion is total bollox. Neither do I have anything against Israelis in general.

I do have a beef with zionists who insist that they have a god-given right to areas that have been deemed by numerous treaties to berlong to peoples of another race. This is compounded by state representatives who claim that bombing and shelling women and children is justified because those women and children have remained in their homes (in their own territory), even after the illegally invading state has tolod them to leave.

This bombing, shelling and ultimate murder of innocent women and children cannot be justified by any sane or reasonable person. Similarly, if British citizens are legally prevented by law from engaging in warfare, except on behalf of the British state, that sanction should be applied equally.