Re: It's Donald Trump : Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:46 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

The theory about having ambition making some money is ok but, there has to be some social conscience that comes with it

People were sold the dream of aspiration, they were told ''this will make you happy'', the cynical among us just saw it as way of getting us to part with our money for crap we can live without, the ones who bought into it are literally chasing a dream, they want it all and they want it now and next month they want a shinier one because the one they have isn't quite shiny enough, and so on and so on. I was at a dinner table only last week listening to the 'hardship' tale of someone who'd taken their big flash car in for a repair after crashing it and was given a little hatchback as a courtesy car. ''It's a long time since I've had to make do with something like that'' they proudly spouted as if the little hatchback was beneath their new found superiority. My wife glanced over at me with one of those 'did that actually come out of her mouth?' looks, I just bit my tongue!

I've got no problem with having ambition or wanting to better yourself, we're all trying to do it in some way or another, but like you said, there has to be an amount of social conscience. Aspiration is breeding a self-centred need for shinier ones, bigger ones, brighter ones, faster ones, more powerful ones, and in the age of social media a need to shamelessly show it off. Many would do well to remember that some people haven't even got one at all.

Re: It's Donald Trump : Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:10 am  

King Street Cat wrote:

People were sold the dream of aspiration, they were told ''this will make you happy'', the cynical among us just saw it as way of getting us to part with our money for crap we can live without, the ones who bought into it are literally chasing a dream, they want it all and they want it now and next month they want a shinier one because the one they have isn't quite shiny enough, and so on and so on. I was at a dinner table only last week listening to the 'hardship' tale of someone who'd taken their big flash car in for a repair after crashing it and was given a little hatchback as a courtesy car. ''It's a long time since I've had to make do with something like that'' they proudly spouted as if the little hatchback was beneath their new found superiority. My wife glanced over at me with one of those 'did that actually come out of her mouth?' looks, I just bit my tongue!

I've got no problem with having ambition or wanting to better yourself, we're all trying to do it in some way or another, but like you said, there has to be an amount of social conscience. Aspiration is breeding a self-centred need for shinier ones, bigger ones, brighter ones, faster ones, more powerful ones, and in the age of social media a need to shamelessly show it off. Many would do well to remember that some people haven't even got one at all.

The demand to consume, consume, consume is burning the planets resources ever more quickly and as the 1 billion Chinese and 1 billion Indians become more aspirational, this demand will accelerate.
The governments of the developed world keep patting themselves on the back for reducing their own carbon emissions, when, the reality is that, they have passed these emissions on to China and India.
Consumption will kill all of us eventually, either by eating and drinking ourselves into an early grave or, bleeding the planet dry.

Back on subject, Trump will look after no. 1.
Himself and his family first, then his inner circle, followed by white Americans and maybe some others later on.
He seems to have no concern for anything too far outside his own back yard.

Re: It's Donald Trump : Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:32 am  

Himself and his family first, then his inner circle

The guy is a billionaire why does he need to be president to look after this group?

He seems to have no concern for anything too far outside his own back yard.

Isn't that why he was voted in by the people of USA and similarly why we are leaving Europe?

Re: It's Donald Trump : Sun Nov 20, 2016 9:04 am  

wire-quin wrote:

The guy is a billionaire why does he need to be president to look after this group?

Isn't that why he was voted in by the people of USA and similarly why we are leaving Europe?

It's arrogance , it's like when we see a new owner at a sports club , how many times on these pages have we seen " He's a successful businessman , of course he'll do better than the last one " this despite the last one being also a previous successful businessman

Being good at one thing doesn't make you necessarily good at everything , I built a reasonably successful business from scratch , employing 25 people turning a healthy profit from a 3 million + turnover

Did it last ? , no it had a life span , I tried other fields without success , quite often being in the right place at the right time just works , just as it has for Mr Trump this time

Is he the right guy to run the worlds most important country ?

Re: It's Donald Trump : Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:56 pm  

Is he the right guy to run the worlds most important country ?

Some people seem to think he is.

Re: It's Donald Trump : Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:09 pm  

wire-quin wrote:

Some people seem to think he is.

Ditto Mr Hitler , Mussilini ans Stalin

Re: It's Donald Trump : Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:56 pm  

GUBRATS wrote:

Ditto Mr Hitler , Mussilini ans Stalin

I'm not sure they voted for Trump.

Re: It's Donald Trump : Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:41 pm  

Ajw71 wrote:

I'm not sure they voted for Trump.

Out of 43 million , there's a good chance they did actually

Re: It's Donald Trump : Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:59 am  

We had a documentary on the ABC (equivalent of the Beeb) the other night re Trump. The most interesting thing by far was when the female reporter was talking to a couple of older women who voted for Trump. She tried several times to elicit some kind of outrage on behalf of all women re Trump's misogyny, but she couldn't. It was like they were talking a different language (including a fair degree of patronising tone thrown in for good measure).

In a nutshell that interview summed up for me the gap between the mainstream 'liberal' media and a big chunk of society. Its not so much that these women weren't outraged, but the reporter simply could not comprehend why. They might be dumb and ignorant, but she had a total and utter failure to comprehend their views and as a result had no way to communicate with them.

Replace sexism with racism (or immigration) or protectionism and I expect you'll see exactly the same kind of non-communication with many 'average' people who voted Trump or Brexit. What passes for the mainstream has moved on and just doesn't get that a large section of society not only hasn't moved on but doesn't want to, and more to the point resents being told they are fools or bigots for not agreeing.

I genuinely struggle to see how the generally upper middle class mainstream media can re-enage (or in many cases engage for the first time) with these people.

Re: It's Donald Trump : Thu Nov 24, 2016 11:44 am  

BR youve tripped up the hard left usual suspects on here with that one. The silence is deafening.