Re: Boris Johnson : Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:42 pm  

I think the old lady in his own constituency sums him up best... https://www-independent-co-uk.cdn.amppr ... 44711.html

I think the old lady in his own constituency sums him up best... https://www-independent-co-uk.cdn.amppr ... 44711.html

Re: Boris Johnson : Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:15 am  

#filthypieceoftoerag has been trending on Twitter all weekend. That lady has just trumped #pleaseleavemytown man.

Re: Boris Johnson : Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:50 am  

If you have a complete and utter pri!ck of a PM what more can one expect?

Re: Boris Johnson : Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:37 am  

Mild Rover wrote:

I admit to a profound and increasing lack of confidence in Corbyn and McDonnell’s abilities to get poop done.

To be fair though, negative opinion of Boris Johnson is by no means limited to lefties either.

He has been described by a former chairman of the Conservative Party as a ‘mendacious chancer’, for example.

Agreed and the negative views on Corbyn are not restricted to the right either.

Johnson is trying to do the one thing that will separate him at an election - get Brexit done he kills of Farage, the Liberals main policy is null and void and Labour are significantly weakened. All he has to do is give the SNP a second independence vote and he has cracked it.

I struggle to understand the need for the SNP and who do they represent? Surely all the population is actively represented by the Scottish parliament under Queen Nicola? That parliament could nominate from within to discuss important topics with the UK government. Save 60 MPs and the cost.

[Mild Rover]

Re: Boris Johnson : Mon Oct 07, 2019 5:18 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Agreed and the negative views on Corbyn are not restricted to the right either.

Johnson is trying to do the one thing that will separate him at an election - get Brexit done he kills of Farage, the Liberals main policy is null and void and Labour are significantly weakened. All he has to do is give the SNP a second independence vote and he has cracked it.

I struggle to understand the need for the SNP and who do they represent? Surely all the population is actively represented by the Scottish parliament under Queen Nicola? That parliament could nominate from within to discuss important topics with the UK government. Save 60 MPs and the cost.

He’s trying the one thing that he can at this point but it is far from certain that he’ll be successful. Getting a deal is difficult and no deal could well crack him rather than ‘it’. It’s on a knife edge. Personally, I think he’s more likely to fail, but I also think i’m a bit blind to his charms. His bigger problem is that I don’t think they translate well outside of England. I don’t think the EU will indulge him just to see him smile, as so many English people are seemingly eager to do.

Your issue seems to be more with the Scottish Parliament than with the SNP specifically, yeah? And...

Side note: if Scotland’s hypothetical representative were discussing important topics with a Westminster government that did not contain MPs from Scotland, would the latter still be a United Kingdom government? Wales is a Principality and Northern Ireland is two thirds of a province - though admittedly there were kings of Ulster way, way back.

Re: Boris Johnson : Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:52 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Agreed and the negative views on Corbyn are not restricted to the right either.

Johnson is trying to do the one thing that will separate him at an election - get Brexit done he kills of Farage, the Liberals main policy is null and void and Labour are significantly weakened. All he has to do is give the SNP a second independence vote and he has cracked it.

I struggle to understand the need for the SNP and who do they represent? Surely all the population is actively represented by the Scottish parliament under Queen Nicola? That parliament could nominate from within to discuss important topics with the UK government. Save 60 MPs and the cost.

Unless the EU are building up their part and are going to come over the horizon at the 11th hour, it looks like we're heading for no deal or, more likely, an extension.

With the Tories likely to move even further to the right, to prevent Farage gaining any seats, it will be interesting just where Labour try to pitch their election campaign.

As for whether Scottish MP's being relevant in Westminster, of course they are.
I dont understand why you think they should be discounted and yet are more than happy to se the Tories (theoretically) propped up by the DUP.

Worth remembering that it's having been ignored for so long that has allowed the SNP to gain a stranglehold north of the border and when Mrs May didn't engage with the SNP after the referendum, you can see their point.

Each party tries to look after "their own" and for the Tories, this just doesn't include Scotland, which makes it an "easy sell" for Nicola Sturgeon.

Re: Boris Johnson : Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:00 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Unless the EU are building up their part and are going to come over the horizon at the 11th hour, it looks like we're heading for no deal or, more likely, an extension.

With the Tories likely to move even further to the right, to prevent Farage gaining any seats, it will be interesting just where Labour try to pitch their election campaign.

As for whether Scottish MP's being relevant in Westminster, of course they are.
I dont understand why you think they should be discounted and yet are more than happy to se the Tories (theoretically) propped up by the DUP.

Worth remembering that it's having been ignored for so long that has allowed the SNP to gain a stranglehold north of the border and when Mrs May didn't engage with the SNP after the referendum, you can see their point.

Each party tries to look after "their own" and for the Tories, this just doesn't include Scotland, which makes it an "easy sell" for Nicola Sturgeon.

The EU have to come with something - no deal is a bigger disaster for them Germany is already in recession a np deal would be calamitous for them and the rest of the EU which they are helping to prop up.

I have no truck with Irish either take them, the Welsh and Scots out each can send a delegation to discuss UK wide legislation with the English parliament. Corbyn giving Scotland a second referendum would be a disaster for Labour - if they got it you would never see another Labour government in this country.

As for the Tories the only way to head Farage off is to go all out for leave no deal - otherwise he would facilitate Corbyn into No 10.

[Mild Rover]

Re: Boris Johnson : Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:01 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

The EU have to come with something - no deal is a bigger disaster for them Germany is already in recession a np deal would be calamitous for them and the rest of the EU which they are helping to prop up.

I have no truck with Irish either take them, the Welsh and Scots out each can send a delegation to discuss UK wide legislation with the English parliament. Corbyn giving Scotland a second referendum would be a disaster for Labour - if they got it you would never see another Labour government in this country.

As for the Tories the only way to head Farage off is to go all out for leave no deal - otherwise he would facilitate Corbyn into No 10.

I’m about 85% sure you’re playing dumb to gull us pompous, humourless remoaners.

If so, you’re doing us a service by saving us the effort of making a straw man. Ta.

German exports to the UK are worth a little over a quarter of UK exports to the EU. They’d be facing new ‘challenges’ with their 4th biggest national trading partner, the UK with their 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, and so on.

EU GDP is $17.3 trillion, of which the UK accounts for $2.6 trillion. No deal will clearly be a bit shizzle for them, but there isn’t the remotest equivalence in what the EU loses and what the UK loses in terms of trade, or the resulting economic impact.

Re: Boris Johnson : Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:10 pm  

The EU have it all going for them. Clued up, strength in numbers, totally united. Compare that to the Tories, clueless, divided and changing their views weekly.

The EU know we are in real trouble with a No Deal exit. Tariffs, quotas etc and they believe that we'll be back under a new Gov't within months wanting to re-join.
A No Deal will mean the Common Fishing Policy ends. French and Belgian fishermen have said that if they are excluded from fishing in UK waters then they'll start an indefinate blockade of their ports to UK ferries.
So if our ferries are blockaded out there will be no trucks, no imports and no exports. what we do then is anyone's guess.

Re: Boris Johnson : Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:30 pm  

Mild Rover wrote:

I’m about 85% sure you’re playing dumb to gull us pompous, humourless remoaners.

I think sometimes he is, like the above (nobody who isn't a moron thinks no-deal is worse for Germany than the UK).
OTOH on some of his ignorant points of detail, he's just a typical Brexiteer who has spent two minutes thinking about something and then thinks they are an expert on it and that actual experts are just metropolitain elites.