Re: Education, education, education and war : Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:28 pm  

silver2 wrote: That's probably based upon the experiences of the last 12 years of Tory government. So, using the words of John Cleese, "What have the Tories ever done for us?" quite a lot, actually. if you take of those red tinted spectacles for a while. Reduced the deficit (until Covid came along at least) Record Public Sector investment Delivering the will of the electorate by leaving the EU Protecting our defence capability and that is just in the early years, after Labour plunged us into recession. they haven't engaged in illegal war, sold our economy down the river... a damn sight more than Labour ever achieved.

silver2 wrote: That's probably based upon the experiences of the last 12 years of Tory government. So, using the words of John Cleese, "What have the Tories ever done for us?" quite a lot, actually. if you take of those red tinted spectacles for a while. Reduced the deficit (until Covid came along at least) Record Public Sector investment Delivering the will of the electorate by leaving the EU Protecting our defence capability and that is just in the early years, after Labour plunged us into recession. they haven't engaged in illegal war, sold our economy down the river... a damn sight more than Labour ever achieved.

Re: Education, education, education and war : Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:47 pm  

IR80 wrote:

they have admitted they made errors, do we really need to keep poking this with a stick?

What else coukd they do?

All you want to do is moan about the Government, it seems it is all you ever do, moan.

So that's a NO then,
We can read the papers, listen to the news to see what has happened, which was exactly why I began the thread
.
I've clearly shown my opinion and I asked YOU for YOURS but, you dont have on or, maybe are unwilling to share it.
That's how debate works, an exchange of information or opinion.

So, do you agree that they made a balls of things or did they get it right.
Come on, tea or coffee question, lets see if YOU can answer.

Re: Education, education, education and war : Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:50 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

So that's a NO then,
We can read the papers, listen to the news to see what has happened, which was exactly why I began the thread
.
I've clearly shown my opinion and I asked YOU for YOURS but, you dont have on or, maybe are unwilling to share it.
That's how debate works, an exchange of information or opinion.

So, do you agree that they made a balls of things or did they get it right.
Come on, tea or coffee question, lets see if YOU can answer.

debate with you is like pushing water up hill, you have such a closed anti Tory mind it's untrue.

Re: Education, education, education and war : Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:07 pm  

IR80 wrote:

debate with you is like pushing water up hill, you have such a closed anti Tory mind it's untrue.

Come on pal, that's 2 simple chances to answer a simple question
At least we know for sure that you have no opinion.

You cant say that I didn't try to engage but, even a question with only 2 answers seems beyond you

Re: Education, education, education and war : Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:09 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

As the government of the day, they (The Conservatives), make the decisions that affect EVERONES lives.
If they cant take criticism, they shouldn't be where they are.
Yes, some complain but, people like yourself, abjectly fail to accept that they are making poor decisions.
You have tried to throw your usual anti socialist self made soundbites at this subject and you are on a one man/woman mission.
Even the most right wing Troy press have taken the same view as I did when opening this thread but, you cant help yourself with stupid comments and you've STILL to add an opinion to the debate.
Hell, you're not even brave enough to say when they have clearly got something so badly wrong.

Open debate is very healthy and you may even learn something if you care to listen or read

Typical you would have to drag our Helen into this!!

Re: Education, education, education and war : Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:22 pm  

No answer is still no answer, if you cannot defend the government’s actions with regards handling the pandemic and education we must presume your sole purpose is to just disrupt the thread. We gave you several opportunities to tell us why their actions were acceptable but chose or could not do so.

Re: Education, education, education and war : Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:43 pm  

IR80 wrote: quite a lot, actually. if you take of those red tinted spectacles for a while. Reduced the deficit (until Covid came along at least) Record Public Sector investment Delivering the will of the electorate by leaving the EU Protecting our defence capability and that is just in the early years, after Labour plunged us into recession. they haven't engaged in illegal war, sold our economy down the river... a damn sight more than Labour ever achieved. Cant see the NHS on your list........................... Maybe that wasn't started by the Tories

IR80 wrote: quite a lot, actually. if you take of those red tinted spectacles for a while. Reduced the deficit (until Covid came along at least) Record Public Sector investment Delivering the will of the electorate by leaving the EU Protecting our defence capability and that is just in the early years, after Labour plunged us into recession. they haven't engaged in illegal war, sold our economy down the river... a damn sight more than Labour ever achieved. Cant see the NHS on your list........................... Maybe that wasn't started by the Tories

Re: Education, education, education and war : Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:25 pm  

As per IR80s request, I have taken off my red tinted spectacles for a while and this is what I’ve found in response to his claims of Tory successes:

Reduced the deficit (until Covid came along at least) – partially true
• The national deficit before the 2008 crash was 3% of GDP it then rose to 10% in 2009/10. In Feb 2020 it was back to 2.7% of GDP – and as you say Covid will no doubt cause it to rise again. So, Labour fell foul of an International banking crash, the Tories are falling foul of an International pandemic.

Record Public Sector investment - wrong
• Public sector net investment was 3% of GDP in 2009. It then dropped to around 2% during the austerity years. It is projected to increase back up to 3% by 2023.

Delivering the will of the electorate by leaving the EU - wrong
• In 2016 52% of the electorate voted in favour of an undefined Brexit. In 2019 43% of the electorate voted in favour of the Brexit as set out in the Tory manifesto.
• The latest opinion polls show that 50% believe that leaving the EU was a mistake and only 36% believe it to have been the right decision

Protecting our defence capability - wrong
• Defence spending in 2020 is about 2.2% of GDP, a figure which has remained the around same since at least 2000.
• Cummings, (who spent some time in Russia) however is visiting key MOD sites prior to a defence review later this year, He has refused to appear in front of the Defence select Committee to explain what he is doing.

Re: Education, education, education and war : Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:25 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Come on pal, what is your opinion on the handling of EXAM RESULTS, that is the topic here.

First failure - the exams should have been sat - no reason whatsoever for not holding the exams

Second failure - allowing ofqual to not robustly test the algorithm to ensure it would deliver fairness

Third failure - allowing teacher assessments to used - bonkers - teachers will overstate the grade - knowing it would be knocked back

Fourth failure - saying no u turn and then u turn

All in all a complete disaster - Labour would have simply taken the easy option of awarding based on teacher assessments to keep all their unions mates sweet.

Re: Education, education, education and war : Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:32 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

First failure - the exams should have been sat - no reason whatsoever for not holding the exams

Second failure - allowing ofqual to not robustly test the algorithm to ensure it would deliver fairness

Third failure - allowing teacher assessments to used - bonkers - teachers will overstate the grade - knowing it would be knocked back

Fourth failure - saying no u turn and then u turn

All in all a complete disaster - Labour would have simply taken the easy option of awarding based on teacher assessments to keep all their unions mates sweet.

I dont think you can say what Labour would have done, while they are in opposition ,all of this falls on Boris' shoulders.
The point here is that the party in charge have abjectly failed, on every aspect of the exam debacle.

I do agree that many exams could and should have taken place but, you can add that to the list of failings.

Where is Boris anyway.
Things are getting difficult again and he's gone AWOL.