Re: Kier Starmer : Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:18 pm  

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

I think you live in a very insular mental state where yours is the only view of the world is correct. Fortunately/unfortunately the world is a very different place to how you would want it to be.

Very few people would suggest teachers have covered themselves in glory - kids education has been more a disaster and with have greater long term impacts and effect far more than Covid ever will. The fact they had to dragged kicking and screaming back to work when they are no more at risk than anybody says much?

Out of interest when did teachers ever stop working

Re: Kier Starmer : Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:51 pm  

Steph Curry wrote:

What an embarrassment. Lying like that in the House of Commons.

He’s made a career out of taking the high ground. He can’t any more

Just checking you're still pretending to be outraged when party leaders lie in the House of Commons.
Would be terrible if you were exposed as a mindless troll.

Re: Kier Starmer : Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:19 am  

ColD wrote:

Out of interest when did teachers ever stop working

Given that children were getting a fraction of the study time they would normally get and we still had the same number of teacher you don't have to be Einstein to figure out a big chunk weren't contributing much.

Re: Kier Starmer : Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:09 pm  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

Just checking you're still pretending to be outraged when party leaders lie in the House of Commons.
Would be terrible if you were exposed as a mindless troll.

Nah. I’ve just chosen not to debate with someone who has to resort to insults.

Re: Kier Starmer : Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:49 am  

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

Given that children were getting a fraction of the study time they would normally get and we still had the same number of teacher you don't have to be Einstein to figure out a big chunk weren't contributing much.

Again, when did teachers stop working ??

Re: Kier Starmer : Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:55 am  

ColD wrote:

Again, when did teachers stop working ??

If they weren't teaching then I would suggest they weren't working - maybe you class laying in the garden drinking pina coladas in the early Summer sun as working - I don't.

The kids could easily have sat their exams in 2020 - the teachers and their unions didn't seem to keen to facilitate that - I wonder why?

Kids were getting a fraction of their normal education - so as we had the same number of teacher delivering significantly less teaching what were the majority of the teachers doing?

Getting paid and working are two very different concepts

Re: Kier Starmer : Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:03 am  

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

If they weren't teaching then I would suggest they weren't working - maybe you class laying in the garden drinking pina coladas in the early Summer sun as working - I don't.

The kids could easily have sat their exams in 2020 - the teachers and their unions didn't seem to keen to facilitate that - I wonder why?

Kids were getting a fraction of their normal education - so as we had the same number of teacher delivering significantly less teaching what were the majority of the teachers doing?

Getting paid and working are two very different concepts

Who was running the on line lessons, both in terms of prep and the actual zoom lessons etc ??

I fully accept that not all kids could access them but, once again, you find it easier to slur the teaching profession (ala The Daily Mail) than give any support to the teaching profession.
Also, you are aware that vulnerable children and those of key workers did attend school.
Again, who was teaching/supporting them.

Your whole narrative is so stereotypically right wing, it beggars belief.

Mind you, we've gone from clapping the nurses etc, to kicking them (again) so, it really is no surprise.

Certainly the few teachers that I know HAVE been WORKING but, dont let that spoil your opinion.

Re: Kier Starmer : Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:19 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Your whole narrative is so stereotypically right wing, it beggars belief.

It's the voice of someone who has never had to work in a criminally underfunded public sector but absolutely believes the lies they read in the hard-right press.

As with people in all sectors you will have lazy and harder-working people, some who short-cut and some who are utterly dedicated and diligent. I've seen plenty of all types working for me in the private sector. For some reason ZZB can't get past some weird belief that people in the public sector are totally different to all other human beings - indeed as with much right wing media venom, dehumanising people is core to their toxic rhetoric.

Re: Kier Starmer : Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:26 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Who was running the on line lessons, both in terms of prep and the actual zoom lessons etc ??

I fully accept that not all kids could access them but, once again, you find it easier to slur the teaching profession (ala The Daily Mail) than give any support to the teaching profession.
Also, you are aware that vulnerable children and those of key workers did attend school.
Again, who was teaching/supporting them.

Your whole narrative is so stereotypically right wing, it beggars belief.

Mind you, we've gone from clapping the nurses etc, to kicking them (again) so, it really is no surprise.

Certainly the few teachers that I know HAVE been WORKING but, dont let that spoil your opinion.

Even the unions had to admit teaching during the first lockdown was 'disappointing' both in volume and quality. It had very little to do with access for kids as the lessons weren't there to access. Compare the quality of lesson available at private schools during lockdown 1 to the public schools!! There were a lot of kids who simply weren't educated nothing to do with access. Before lockdown 1 teaching unions actively discouraged on line learning - no wonder they were caught with their pants down when a change of output methodology was needed

I am not disputing schools were open but it was miniscule the numbers that actually attended, lessons were learned and by everyone's admission things were very different during the last lockdown.

We must differ on our views on the teaching profession and especially their union representation. No doubt you will also be suggesting they get a huge increase in payment?

Traffic through the NHS was down 80% through 2020 - that would suggest a lot of nurses had a pretty easy time during the pandemic - why should they get a huge increase for doing less work? By all means reward those at the sharp end with a substantial one of bonus c£10k but to increase the pay to them all doesn't pass scrutiny.

Re: Kier Starmer : Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:35 am  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

It's the voice of someone who has never had to work in a criminally underfunded public sector but absolutely believes the lies they read in the hard-right press.

As with people in all sectors you will have lazy and harder-working people, some who short-cut and some who are utterly dedicated and diligent. I've seen plenty of all types working for me in the private sector. For some reason ZZB can't get past some weird belief that people in the public sector are totally different to all other human beings - indeed as with much right wing media venom, dehumanising people is core to their toxic rhetoric.

The difference is that in the private sector those that don't pull their weight usually get found and moved on - seldom a job for life - not many non-jobs in the private sector - I bet virtually every public body including councils will have them.. Even ACAS will admit waste through absenteeism is way higher in the public sector - perhaps if these organisations were leaner their funding would stretch further?

I am not disputing there are fantastic people working in the public sector - we can all recall a teacher/lecturer who has had a profound impact on their personal development but why do we think the public sector should be treated differently in terms of remuneration than the private sector that in reality funds it?