Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:19 am  

BobbyD wrote:

You should really look more carefully at what you post then, look across the bottom of the helpful table and it tells you where the info is taken from, years 2011, 2012 and 2013.

Numb nuts? That's all the likes of you have, insults to make up for a startling lack of intelligence.

Go on, tell us about how how privatisation of the NHS is evil and then how you voted for a party that promised to privatise the NHS.

Privatisation works. Accept it and move on. The Tories have saved the NHS.

A public health policy using private companys funded by tax income can work in some sectors, but the "improvment" in services can be short term when a few years into the contract investors start to realise that there is no killing to be made in share trading when the business is tied to revenue incomes that are static, linked only to inflation or subject to varying political will -the only real way to increase profits year on year is to reduce costs or go back to your paymaster and complain that their demands and standards are too high and hint that you wont be interested at the next round of tender bids, depending on the political will prevailing at the time you'll probably get a sympathetic ear, particularly if some of the chiefs in your paymasters are private shareholders or are rather hoping to be on your payroll when they lose their current position.

You also have the undeniable fact that some sectors of healthcare are just too specialist labour intensive to run cheaply or at a profit at all -you wouldnt want an A&E dept run by temps or left unstaffed when a bean counter "forecasts" a period of low demand. What you end up with then is a basic public health provision of expensive unprofitable sectors with the rest of it cherry picked and in private hands - rather like the Spanish health service for instance - all of which is fine and dandy while you are young, fit and in work and can afford or are given private health cover, but no use to you whatsoever if you have a long term condition, are unemployed or retired, none of whom are welcome through the doors of your average private health provider.

I'll repeat this again, everyone who comments on this thread should first of all go to one of the private providers web sites and get a quote for a similer level of cover that they currently have in the NHS, its usually the "gold cover", then report back here what it would cost them, I have Aviva mailshotting me every month with quotes that range from £96 to £110 a month, thats just for me and not my family and is based on perfect health and no pre-existing conditions, and rather more sinister, certain limits on chronic or terminal conditions.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:26 am  

BobbyD wrote:

Go on, tell us about how how privatisation of the NHS is evil and then how you voted for a party that promised to privatise the NHS.

How on earth do you know how I voted?

If you think I voted Labour in 2010 then you really do know absolutely nothing

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:28 am  

BobbyD wrote:

The Tories have saved the NHS.

The tories have saved the profitable bits of the NHS for their backers to rape and plunder

[DaveO]

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:37 pm  

BobbyD wrote: What the Tories would have us believe? Not Andy Burnham, "Dr". Eoin "I'm very sorry I won't print these entirely false allegations again" Clarke or the Guardian? Still, it goes to show that privatisation in the NHS works. The NHS under the Tories, ranked number 1 in the world. How about believing the head of the BMA? Dr Mark Porter, leader of the doctors' union, the British Medical Association, said the fund's findings were "clear evidence that our much-maligned NHS is one of the top-performing healthcare systems in the world." However, he warned that the service's achievements were now at risk. "We should not be complacent as we are facing pressures that are threatening the high-quality care that the Commonwealth Fund has rightly praised. A combination of rising patient demand, staff shortages and falling funding is undermining the very foundations of the NHS, as is the constant short-term interference from politicians of all colours." http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jun/17/nhs-health Your beloved Tory led government is going to wreck it all. And just FYI, the NHS isn't (yet) totally privatised and as a state run organisation is now officially the 2nd cheapest and best performing in the developed world. The most costly and worst performing is the fully privatised US healthcare system. When faced with these simple facts, highlighted in the report, it takes special kind of stupidity to believe privatisation works in healthcare.

BobbyD wrote: What the Tories would have us believe? Not Andy Burnham, "Dr". Eoin "I'm very sorry I won't print these entirely false allegations again" Clarke or the Guardian? Still, it goes to show that privatisation in the NHS works. The NHS under the Tories, ranked number 1 in the world. How about believing the head of the BMA? Dr Mark Porter, leader of the doctors' union, the British Medical Association, said the fund's findings were "clear evidence that our much-maligned NHS is one of the top-performing healthcare systems in the world." However, he warned that the service's achievements were now at risk. "We should not be complacent as we are facing pressures that are threatening the high-quality care that the Commonwealth Fund has rightly praised. A combination of rising patient demand, staff shortages and falling funding is undermining the very foundations of the NHS, as is the constant short-term interference from politicians of all colours." http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jun/17/nhs-health Your beloved Tory led government is going to wreck it all. And just FYI, the NHS isn't (yet) totally privatised and as a state run organisation is now officially the 2nd cheapest and best performing in the developed world. The most costly and worst performing is the fully privatised US healthcare system. When faced with these simple facts, highlighted in the report, it takes special kind of stupidity to believe privatisation works in healthcare.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:50 pm  

DaveO wrote:

Your beloved Tory led government is going to wreck it all.

Oh goody, another Dave O prediction that we will all be able to laugh at in a few months time.

Just like the economy 'not picking up' before the election. Whooops.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:52 pm  

BobbyD wrote:

You should really look more carefully at what you post then, look across the bottom of the helpful table and it tells you where the info is taken from, years 2011, 2012 and 2013.

Numb nuts? That's all the likes of you have, insults to make up for a startling lack of intelligence.

Go on, tell us about how how privatisation of the NHS is evil and then how you voted for a party that promised to privatise the NHS.

Privatisation works. Accept it and move on. The Tories have saved the NHS.

One minute the NHS is dead and then next it's the greatest thing the world has ever seen.

Cod'ed should probably make his mind up....

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:50 pm  

Ajw71 wrote:

One minute the NHS is dead and then next it's the greatest thing the world has ever seen.

Cod'ed should probably make his mind up....

I made my mind up a long time ago that you're an idiot.

My NHS RIP thread concerned the commencement of a long, slow decimation of the NHS, set in motion by this bunch of rapacious bastads. With luck, the electorate will see what they have started and fully intend to continue (should the be re-elected in 2015) and keep them away from a precious and outstanding narional asset

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:20 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

My NHS RIP thread concerned the commencement of a long, slow decimation of the NHS, set in motion by this bunch of rapacious bastads.

So you produce statistics from 2011-2013 that show the exact opposite?!

Right.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:00 pm  

Ajw71 wrote:

So you produce statistics from 2011-2013 that show the exact opposite?!

Right.

cod'ead wrote:

I made my mind up a long time ago that you're an idiot.

Re: Privatisation of NHS hospitals begins : Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:14 pm  

Presumably in around ten months time we'll all be reminded, in what was one of the biggest billboard campaigns, exactly what it was that David promised about the NHS in his 2010 election campaign.