Re: General Election 8th June : Mon Jun 05, 2017 12:01 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

I never quoted a figure - so your quote is of no relevance in this argument.

The quote is very relevant; you decided arbitrarily that a million people make legitimate claims because they can't work, and that the rest are slackers who are making a choice not to work. You're wrong, and that quote is a factual rebuttal, which illustrates the misconceptions of the general public - misconceptions which I'd argue are created and fuelled by the right wing media, and those who repeat as facts what they read in the Daily Mail and The Sun.

There is no argument here - you were just wrong.

Re: General Election 8th June : Mon Jun 05, 2017 12:29 pm  

bren2k wrote:

The quote is very relevant; you decided arbitrarily that a million people make legitimate claims because they can't work, and that the rest are slackers who are making a choice not to work. You're wrong, and that quote is a factual rebuttal, which illustrates the misconceptions of the general public - misconceptions which I'd argue are created and fuelled by the right wing media, and those who repeat as facts what they read in the Daily Mail and The Sun.

There is no argument here - you were just wrong.

No i'm not how many people would you say are mentally physically unable to work 20 years ago when we had far more manual labour jobs the total was 1.1m - so despite advances in medical science, better H&S at work and far less manual labour the number has trebled!!

So in a reasonable well off country 10% of the workforce are unable to work due to disability really?

Re: General Election 8th June : Mon Jun 05, 2017 12:46 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Surely you wouldn't want anyone to pay more tax than they are legally obliged

Yes. Presumably you are in favour of owners of rabid right wing newspapers living in off-shore tax havens while persecuting the poorest in society?You are in favour of 4 out of the top 10 FTSE companies paying no tax? The Sun 'newspaper' paying £1 tax?

Re: General Election 8th June : Mon Jun 05, 2017 2:20 pm  

Yes. Presumably you are in favour of owners of rabid right wing newspapers living in off-shore tax havens while persecuting the poorest in society?You are in favour of 4 out of the top 10 FTSE companies paying no tax? The Sun 'newspaper' paying £1 tax?

That's a global issue and not so easy to resolve. What these companies do do is produce well paid employment. Jezzas targeted 5%

Re: General Election 8th June : Mon Jun 05, 2017 2:47 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote: No i'm not how many people would you say are mentally physically unable to work 20 years ago when we had far more manual labour jobs the total was 1.1m - so despite advances in medical science, better H&S at work and far less manual labour the number has trebled!! So in a reasonable well off country 10% of the workforce are unable to work due to disability really? Warning - may contain facts!

Sal Paradise wrote: No i'm not how many people would you say are mentally physically unable to work 20 years ago when we had far more manual labour jobs the total was 1.1m - so despite advances in medical science, better H&S at work and far less manual labour the number has trebled!! So in a reasonable well off country 10% of the workforce are unable to work due to disability really? Warning - may contain facts!

Re: General Election 8th June : Mon Jun 05, 2017 3:10 pm  

tigertot wrote:

Yes. Presumably you are in favour of owners of rabid right wing newspapers living in off-shore tax havens while persecuting the poorest in society?You are in favour of 4 out of the top 10 FTSE companies paying no tax? The Sun 'newspaper' paying £1 tax?

If its within the law absolutely - I wouldn't want to pay more than I should nor would I want any member of my team doing so either - the fact you think its OK is bizarre but totally understandable given your views about rich people.

I would suspect BP actually lost money on its UK operation - they will be losing minimum $30 a barrel for every barrel they get out of the north sea.

Vodafone are a different matter - but unless you change the laws why would they not do it?

Tighten the law close the loop holes - its pretty simple - then they would have to comply

Re: General Election 8th June : Mon Jun 05, 2017 3:28 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

the fact you think its OK is bizarre but totally understandable given your views about rich people.

Please tell me what are my views of rich people?

Re: General Election 8th June : Mon Jun 05, 2017 3:33 pm  

tigertot wrote:

Please tell me what are my views of rich people?

Perhaps you need to read the post - off shore living stealing money from the needy!!!

Re: General Election 8th June : Mon Jun 05, 2017 3:34 pm  

bren2k wrote: Warning - may contain facts! No wonder we are so unproductive if 20% of the working population is disabled - really!!!

bren2k wrote: Warning - may contain facts! No wonder we are so unproductive if 20% of the working population is disabled - really!!!

Re: General Election 8th June : Mon Jun 05, 2017 3:38 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

No wonder we are so unproductive if 20% of the working population is disabled - really!!!

I know - how annoyingly inconvenient of the lazy disableds; what would you suggest we do with them all, to improve our productivity?