Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue May 22, 2012 11:39 am  

When DSM-5 comes out next May, I'll be amazed if this sort of shizzle isn't in it.

Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue May 22, 2012 11:54 am  

Sandra The Terrorist wrote:

When DSM-5 comes out next May, I'll be amazed if this sort of shizzle isn't in it.

A form of sociopathy?

Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue May 22, 2012 12:21 pm  

Mintball wrote:

A form of sociopathy?

Could be, more likely psychosis. We might struggle to get "Kirkstall Syndrome" in as "jerusalem Syndrome", although fairly widely recognised isn't listed.

Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue May 22, 2012 12:24 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

... We are still men, we are still fallible, we are still dripping in sin.

and:

kirkstaller wrote:

We are ALL already condemned.

Will you take the lifeline offered at the cross?

What also now strikes me about these comments is how they verge on something almost sexual/sensual.

Although perhaps that sort of reading of fanaticism isn't surprising, if one things about how prayer and meditation release endorphins, which is also the hormone released during sex and to deal with pain.

Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue May 22, 2012 1:00 pm  

Mintball wrote:

and:

What also now strikes me about these comments is how they verge on something almost sexual/sensual.

Although perhaps that sort of reading of fanaticism isn't surprising, if one things about how prayer and meditation release endorphins, which is also the hormone released during sex and to deal with pain.

I've read those a few times and the more I do, the more it seems as if it's kirkstaller himself whose offering the eternal life.

kirkstaller wrote:We are ALL already condemned.

Will you take the lifeline offered at the cross?

He's said words to this affect a few times.

You're not David Shayler are you kirkstaller?

Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue May 22, 2012 1:45 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

We do not all follow the same god. My God has a son, the gods of the other two religions does not.

Oh, but you do. The only difference being the theological interpretation of the nature and God and the nature of Christ*. I'll use the "my God has a son" example - Islam sees Christ as a holy person, a prophet on the same level as Mohammed, sent by God to spread the Holy Word. They also believe Mary was a virgin when she gave birth to him. They don't believe he was the son of God, nor do they believe he was crucified, but raised to heaven by God. And yet those two slight differences are part of the reason why we have had Islam and Christanity scrapping with each other for decades.

By the way, you like to dismiss a lot of the Bible's teachings because of you being a Gentile (apparently) however, if you are a true Christian, then you can dismiss all of the Bible but for one short passage due to Christ's teachings:

"[Jesus], which is the great commandment in the law?” And he said to him, ’You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets."

So, basically, Christ told people to not be d*cks to each other whilst mere mortals came out with all sorts of other claptrap to try and keep control over people. And it clearly worked, as we get people spreading hatred, bigotry and the notion that we're all sinners straight from birth instead of a loving** attitude.


*I'm aware there's some other theological differences as well, but that shows the problem with man-made belief structures. Amazing how an idea, the idea of a god/creator, can be twisted from the original point so much.

**Just thought I'd point out that there's no swear filter involved in the appearance of the word "loving".

Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue May 22, 2012 2:39 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

What arguments have I avoided?

If you are implying that you don't know, then you are either
a) a liar or
b) someone who cannot be arrsed to go back and read the arguments.

If you don't know, because you did not read, then why not just go back and read?

kirkstaller wrote:

And by avoiding do you actually mean not conceding my own position?

No. I mean failing to address the arguments. As well you know.

Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue May 22, 2012 2:56 pm  

kirkstaller wrote: 1 Timothy 2:11-14 A rather convincing case was made by pastor Don Rousou that your personal interpretation of this passage is completely wrong, as the passage has been mistranslated and is just plain wrong. Apparently, this is all due to a simple mistranslation of the Greek verb "authentein". I think it is more sad than funny that your view half the population of the planet as unfit to preach etc., turns out to be based on a dodgy translation. Oh well, maybe you'll now see the joke and let your long-suffering missus have a bash in your pulpit, eh? Link

kirkstaller wrote: 1 Timothy 2:11-14 A rather convincing case was made by pastor Don Rousou that your personal interpretation of this passage is completely wrong, as the passage has been mistranslated and is just plain wrong. Apparently, this is all due to a simple mistranslation of the Greek verb "authentein". I think it is more sad than funny that your view half the population of the planet as unfit to preach etc., turns out to be based on a dodgy translation. Oh well, maybe you'll now see the joke and let your long-suffering missus have a bash in your pulpit, eh? Link

Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue May 22, 2012 3:04 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote: A rather convincing case was made by pastor Don Rousou that your personal interpretation of this passage is completely wrong, as the passage has been mistranslated and is just plain wrong. Apparently, this is all due to a simple mistranslation of the Greek verb "authentein". I think it is more sad than funny that your view half the population of the planet as unfit to preach etc., turns out to be based on a dodgy translation. Oh well, maybe you'll now see the joke and let your long-suffering missus have a bash in your pulpit, eh? Link reminds me of the monks who found out it was "celebrate" they'd just got a bad translation 1000 years ago!

Ferocious Aardvark wrote: A rather convincing case was made by pastor Don Rousou that your personal interpretation of this passage is completely wrong, as the passage has been mistranslated and is just plain wrong. Apparently, this is all due to a simple mistranslation of the Greek verb "authentein". I think it is more sad than funny that your view half the population of the planet as unfit to preach etc., turns out to be based on a dodgy translation. Oh well, maybe you'll now see the joke and let your long-suffering missus have a bash in your pulpit, eh? Link reminds me of the monks who found out it was "celebrate" they'd just got a bad translation 1000 years ago!

Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue May 22, 2012 5:48 pm  

Standee wrote:

reminds me of the monks who found out it was "celebrate" they'd just got a bad translation 1000 years ago!

There's so much of this thread that has just made me feel really, really sad.