Re: General Election 8th June : Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:07 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Record funding of the NHS, schools etc.

Why must you keep chanting the Tory mantra?

If the Government spent a quid more in 2017 than in 2016 it's record funding.

Sal Paradise wrote:

Surely if some of us are prepared to pay extra to take the pressure of the NHS via private health surely that is a good thing as is private education.

All well & good in your utopian world, but in real terms both the N.H.S. & state schools are cash-strapped, & in a couple of days it'll be more of the same.

Re: General Election 8th June : Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:29 pm  

PCollinson1990 wrote:

What alternatives are Labour offering?

I suggest you read their manifesto.

Listen, I personally couldn't give two hoots anymore, the public gets what the public wants & all that, but your nihilistic vision of a Labour Government is straight from the Tory tabloids.

It's not that long ago, to me anyway, that they (the Tories) were warning of an impending catastrophe when New Labour said they would bring in the minimum wage.

All this lampooning of people who vote Labour because their long dead relatives did, well, they did it for a reason, the same reason as today - because they are their only hope.

Churchill, Thatcher, Cameron & now that H.B.B they all screw you in the end.

Re: General Election 8th June : Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:33 pm  

Unless the tories achieve a landslide which is unlikely ,then may is a busted flush. The Tory campaign has been lack lustre, may personally has been weak. So the political chancer Boris Johnson will be licking his lips, he may get the crown after all.
Meanwhile jezza has promised everybody lots of free stuff, he also has promised that 95% of the population will not pay any more tax. The IFS has said that's not the case ,we will all have to pay extra tax. Still not to worry socialism works fine, just look at Cuba and Venezuela.
Meanwhile in Scotland wee Nicola is as usual ranting on about keeping the tories out of office. No mention of what she could do for the Scottish voters ,who have seen educational standards fall year on year. Still so long as the barnet formula exists, we can keep the socialists north of the border in the manner in which they are accustomed.
I have no faith whatsoever in any of the main parties this whole election has been an unnecessary farce.
Ps
Could someone please let Diane Abbott out of that cupboard .

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:01 am  

The Devil's Advocate wrote:

Why must you keep chanting the Tory mantra?

If the Government spent a quid more in 2017 than in 2016 it's record funding.


All well & good in your utopian world, but in real terms both the N.H.S. & state schools are cash-strapped, & in a couple of days it'll be more of the same.

Nobody wants to engage in the debate as to what we want from our NHS - we spend 80bn yes 80bn and yet we don't want to have the discussion. All Labour want to do is throw money at it - its bonkers.

Its not utopia is real - I educated my kids privately but still paid into the pot to educate others, I pay for private health care so where ever possible I avoid clogging up the NHS so more needy people get the service first.

As a leftie what are you doing to help you fellow man?

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:07 am  

The Devil's Advocate wrote:

I suggest you read their manifesto.

Listen, I personally couldn't give two hoots anymore, the public gets what the public wants & all that, but your nihilistic vision of a Labour Government is straight from the Tory tabloids.

It's not that long ago, to me anyway, that they (the Tories) were warning of an impending catastrophe when New Labour said they would bring in the minimum wage.

All this lampooning of people who vote Labour because their long dead relatives did, well, they did it for a reason, the same reason as today - because they are their only hope.

Churchill, Thatcher, Cameron & now that H.B.B they all screw you in the end.

The view of the Labour under Corbyn is the view of Callaghan's last government - IMF bail out, record strike days, unable to get rubbish collected and bury the dead. That's the reality. Add to that close links to terrorists and an inability to press the button and you wonder why people struggle with hard core left wing policies.

He may win and he will spend all this money but all that will happen is what happened under Blair the vast majority of the monies will simple go on increasing wages within the public sector and servicing the increased borrowing.

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:11 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

The view of the Labour under Corbyn is the view of Callaghan's last government - IMF bail out, record strike days, unable to get rubbish collected and bury the dead. That's the reality. Add to that close links to terrorists and an inability to press the button and you wonder why people struggle with hard core left wing policies.

Today's Daily Mail Bingo winner

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:08 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

The view of the Labour under Corbyn is the view of Callaghan's last government - IMF bail out, record strike days, unable to get rubbish collected and bury the dead. That's the reality. Add to that close links to terrorists and an inability to press the button and you wonder why people struggle with hard core left wing policies.

He may win and he will spend all this money but all that will happen is what happened under Blair the vast majority of the monies will simple go on increasing wages within the public sector and servicing the increased borrowing.

World financial crisis caused by unregulated capitalist greed.
May sucking up to Saudi - the biggest state sponsor of terrorism in the world today and Wahhabism remains the source of most radical Islamic extremism.
The biggest financial winners under Blair, apart from the disadvantaged that were helped, were the private sector.
And thank you for your selfless sacrifices in privately educating your kids & for paying for private health care. I am equally grateful that the tax I paid into the NHS that my family hardly ever use helped to pay for your successful mental health treatment.

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:03 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

The view of the Labour under Corbyn is the view of Callaghan's last government - IMF bail out, record strike days, unable to get rubbish collected and bury the dead. That's the reality. Add to that close links to terrorists and an inability to press the button and you wonder why people struggle with hard core left wing policies.

But it must be true - because he invoked the earth-shattering "That's the reality" gambit, which trumps all facts and alternative views.

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:27 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

The view of the Labour under Corbyn is the view of Callaghan's last government - IMF bail out, record strike days, unable to get rubbish collected and bury the dead. That's the reality. Add to that close links to terrorists and an inability to press the button and you wonder why people struggle with hard core left wing policies.

He may win and he will spend all this money but all that will happen is what happened under Blair the vast majority of the monies will simple go on increasing wages within the public sector and servicing the increased borrowing.

Spot on. Corbyn sums simply don't add up but people have been seduced by promises of free stuff and huge money spends and you just get his followers telling you you're lying or finding a newspaper article that says your wrong. Of course the articles criticising Corbyn are false but the ones against the Conservatives are 100% truth in their heads.

I've voted for Labour before in the past and I imagine I will do again some point in the future and it's not so much that I want to vote Conservative because I don't like a number of things they do. But Corbyn as PM would absolutely ruin this country. Whilst not an attractive proposition I'd rather have a bad PM than and absolutely atrocious PM in Corbyn.

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:39 am  

PrinterThe wrote:

Spot on. Corbyn sums simply don't add up but people have been seduced by promises of free stuff and huge money spends and you just get his followers telling you you're lying or finding a newspaper article that says your wrong. Of course the articles criticising Corbyn are false but the ones against the Conservatives are 100% truth in their heads.

I've voted for Labour before in the past and I imagine I will do again some point in the future and it's not so much that I want to vote Conservative because I don't like a number of things they do. But Corbyn as PM would absolutely ruin this country. Whilst not an attractive proposition I'd rather have a bad PM than and absolutely atrocious PM in Corbyn.

It's not promises of free stuff. Its literally reversals of tax breaks given out the last 7 years to business and the rich and the savings being distributed to those on middle/lower incomes.

I work at the sharp end of where tory cuts fall and it's absolutely disgusting the effects it has on people. it's actually creating poverty which is a complete waste of potential and resources. Single under 25's who become unemployed are under such tremendous financial pressure that trying to keep a little bit stable takes up time that could be devoted to seeking employment.

No extra money to buy a shirt for an interview, no money to travel to interviews or bigger cities to look for work. Life on benefits shouldn't be comfortable, but neither should it be a living hell either. Disabled people, including ex servicemen are losing £30 a week and having their motability cars seized. Food bank use is through the roof, local provisions for them have been all but removed.