Re: rememberance : Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:55 pm  

Mintball wrote:

So many people suffered on all sides. For me, that's in my mind at this time of year. And that's largely why, for me at least, the poppy - and what goes with it - is not political. It's a remembrance of appalling wastes of human beings.

And thanks for your comment. Appreciated.

My Mum and her Mum "suffered" from the Soviet "liberation" of Germany.

I have to say that they didn't feel so well about the "libreation".

I know you wouldn't think my socialist family deserved it.

Re: rememberance : Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:04 pm  

cod'ead wrote: Does anyone on here bother with the Peace Pledge Union's white poppy? For me there can only be the one colour and that is red. Does the PPU think all those that wear red poppies enjoy war, I am sure all (apart from nutcases) are peace lovers at heart.

cod'ead wrote: Does anyone on here bother with the Peace Pledge Union's white poppy? For me there can only be the one colour and that is red. Does the PPU think all those that wear red poppies enjoy war, I am sure all (apart from nutcases) are peace lovers at heart.

Re: rememberance : Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:22 pm  

Cibaman wrote:

The problem with the white poppy is that its introduction was inevitably seen to represent something of a criticism of the sentiments behind the red poppy. And, for some, an implied criticism of those that served or serve in the forces.

The sentiments behind the white poppy are perfectly fine, I'm sure that 90% of those that wear the red poppy would agree with them. If anything it should be seen as complimentary to the red poppy. But it just doesnt feel that way. It seems more like a challenge, one that is unecessary.

Excellent post. I think you're spot on.

Re: rememberance : Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:30 pm  

billypop wrote:

My Mum and her Mum "suffered" from the Soviet "liberation" of Germany.

I have to say that they didn't feel so well about the "libreation".

I know you wouldn't think my socialist family deserved it.

The Red Army committed some appalling crimes, included (but not limited to) rape. Not, it's worth pointing out, that they were either the the first or the last. Horribly, it's something that has gone on for centuries and continues - and is one (just one) of the reasons that war is so awful.

No - as you say - I don't believe that anyone 'deserved' such treatment. I don't care what their personal politics were ...

Oh he'll: it's 8.30pm on a Friday night.. You don't want or need me to waffle through my current tiredness. Not least because I think we probably agree on far more over this than we disagree.

Seriously: thanks for the posts. I hope you and your family are well.

Re: rememberance : Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:35 pm  

Mintball wrote:

The Red Army committed some appalling crimes, included (but not limited to) rape. Not, it's worth pointing out, that they were either the the first or the last. Horribly, it's something that has gone on for centuries and continues - and is one (just one) of the reasons that war is so awful.

No - as you say - I don't believe that anyone 'deserved' such treatment. I don't care what their personal politics were ...

Oh he'll: it's 8.30pm on a Friday night.. You don't want or need me to waffle through my current tiredness. Not least because I think we probably agree on far more over this than we disagree.

Seriously: thanks for the posts. I hope you and your family are well.

Cheers, Minty. Wish we were well...lol

[Durham Giant]

Re: rememberance : Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:36 pm  

Cibaman wrote:

The problem with the white poppy is that its introduction was inevitably seen to represent something of a criticism of the sentiments behind the red poppy. And, for some, an implied criticism of those that served or serve in the forces.

The sentiments behind the white poppy are perfectly fine, I'm sure that 90% of those that wear the red poppy would agree with them. If anything it should be seen as complimentary to the red poppy. But it just doesnt feel that way. It seems more like a challenge, one that is NECCESARY.

I completely disagree with your post and for me the key bit is the bit i have amended.

If more people challenged the reasons for going to war there would be a hellof a lot less injured and dead squaddies and grieving families.

More important there would be a hell of a lot less dead civillians.

Re: rememberance : Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:39 pm  

Durham Giant wrote:

I completely disagree with your post and for me the key bit is the bit i have amended.

If more people challenged the reasons for going to war there would be a hellof a lot less injured and dead squaddies and grieving families.

More important there would be a hell of a lot less dead civillians.

I think that 99% of those that wear the red poppy think those thoughts as they're putting it on.

Re: rememberance : Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:50 pm  

Durham Giant wrote:

I completely disagree with your post and for me the key bit is the bit i have amended.

If more people challenged the reasons for going to war there would be a hellof a lot less injured and dead squaddies and grieving families.

More important there would be a hell of a lot less dead civillians.

Still sticking with your anti-Semitic avatar?

Or do you only worry about symbols when it suits you?

Re: rememberance : Sat Nov 12, 2011 11:47 am  

Having just spent a week in Afghanistan and hearing about the death of a TA soldier on Wed and one I suspect that will be released today that happened yesterday soon brings the ongoing reality home.

Good to see the Defence Minister in Bastion this week.

[Durham Giant]

Re: rememberance : Sat Nov 12, 2011 11:59 am  

wire quin wrote:

Having just spent a week in Afghanistan and hearing about the death of a TA soldier on Wed and one I suspect that will be released today that happened yesterday soon brings the ongoing reality home.

Good to see the Defence Minister in Bastion this week.

Same one who may be presiding over the redundancy of 16000 soldiers and sacking those injured on duty.