Re: The Great Fuel Crisis of 2012 : Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:37 am  

...but without the government inspired fuel panic, her daughter wouldn't have been out of fuel, and she wouldn't have been decanting it in the first place.

Re: The Great Fuel Crisis of 2012 : Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:39 am  

Well it's not happening over Easter

Well it's not happening over Easter

Re: The Great Fuel Crisis of 2012 : Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:57 am  

peggy wrote: I don't recall him suggesting you pop the cooker on then use a jug next to the cooker to decant petrol. "The fuel she was decanting ignited as she was using the cooker at the time, he said. She was attempting to transfer the petrol from one container to another using a jug." http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/woman-burned-while-decanting-petrol-1 I'll ask again - how many people realised before now that its the petrol vapour, the fumes, that are ignited and not just the liquid ? And that they can be ignited with no sign of the liquid in the vicinity by just a spark, a spark of static or the spark from a light switch or bulb that you might not even see - you don't have to be dumb enough to stand around smoking over a bucket of petrol in order to turn into a human fireball. How many now feel so happy to store petrol in a garage or a shed in a non-authorised container ? And yet according to the report that Cod'ead linked to HGV drivers can take 30,000 litre tankers full of the stuff out onto the roads with just one days training, so far have standards slipped in the industry.

peggy wrote: I don't recall him suggesting you pop the cooker on then use a jug next to the cooker to decant petrol. "The fuel she was decanting ignited as she was using the cooker at the time, he said. She was attempting to transfer the petrol from one container to another using a jug." http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/woman-burned-while-decanting-petrol-1 I'll ask again - how many people realised before now that its the petrol vapour, the fumes, that are ignited and not just the liquid ? And that they can be ignited with no sign of the liquid in the vicinity by just a spark, a spark of static or the spark from a light switch or bulb that you might not even see - you don't have to be dumb enough to stand around smoking over a bucket of petrol in order to turn into a human fireball. How many now feel so happy to store petrol in a garage or a shed in a non-authorised container ? And yet according to the report that Cod'ead linked to HGV drivers can take 30,000 litre tankers full of the stuff out onto the roads with just one days training, so far have standards slipped in the industry.

Re: The Great Fuel Crisis of 2012 : Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:13 pm  

Scooter Nik wrote:

...but without the government inspired fuel panic, her daughter wouldn't have been out of fuel, and she wouldn't have been decanting it in the first place.

Irrelevent to the fact that somebody decides to decant fuel indoors. Do it outside, it has been lovely weather in York (Acomb)

Re: The Great Fuel Crisis of 2012 : Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:15 pm  

McLaren_Field wrote:

I'll ask again - how many people realised before now that its the petrol vapour, the fumes, that are ignited and not just the liquid ?

And that they can be ignited with no sign of the liquid in the vicinity by just a spark, a spark of static or the spark from a light switch or bulb that you might not even see - you don't have to be dumb enough to stand around smoking over a bucket of petrol in order to turn into a human fireball.

Not the brain dead lady with 40% burns

Re: The Great Fuel Crisis of 2012 : Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:16 pm  

peggy wrote:

Not the brain dead lady with 40% burns

40% burns is enough to ensure that she could be actually dead in a short time - will you be so flippant with your comments then ?

Re: The Great Fuel Crisis of 2012 : Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:00 pm  

McLaren_Field wrote:

40% burns is enough to ensure that she could be actually dead in a short time - will you be so flippant with your comments then ?

It's not nice at all, but there is nobody to blame for this but herself. Trying to put it at the door of the Government is a tad silly. Having the petrol in container is another utterly stupid thing to do, whether a Government minister told her to or not, people can use their own common sense.

This whole mess shows how badly this country would react in a situation of genuine crisis. If the oil supply stopped for a month for example, it would be bedlem. People would panic buy, fight and create a whole heap of trouble for everyone. Can't drive? Does it REALLY matter? My kids could walk to school, I could log in via VPN rather than going into the office. This week rather than waste time on the annual Easter Egg competition I've asked if they can devise a contingency plan for if people can't get into work. We've now got a policy that if there are shortages, anyone who drives can work from home thanks to a core staff who live locally who will answer phones and deal with the post. I'd suggest a good 50% of the population are in the same situation, they don't actually 'need' to physically attend work or drive anywhere in this day and age.

Anyway, no strike over Easter, can we all go back to normality now?

Re: The Great Fuel Crisis of 2012 : Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:42 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

Anyway, no strike over Easter, can we all go back to normality now?

Somehow I doubt it, I'll need to put some fuel in my car before monday but I don't do queues, if there are shortages and queues its back on the bike on monday morning which will do me more good than harm particularly if there are fewer cars around

Not so easy for those who have no choice but to drive though and I include our dozen or so service engineers in that, they'll have a nice easy time but I'm not sure I will when I try and explain why they haven't turned up on a site.

Its fairly plain for all to note now that with even a rumour of disruption to fuel supplies, this country and in the main its government (whoever that is), has only hours to respond and just a couple of days reserve to play with, and the government (whoever that is) is absolutely helpless to do anything to improve on that other than make it illegal to strike.

[John_D]

Re: The Great Fuel Crisis of 2012 : Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:06 pm  

McLaren_Field wrote:

I'll ask again - how many people realised before now that its the petrol vapour, the fumes, that are ignited and not just the liquid ?

A good number of people on the same chemistry degree course I did weren't aware of that with similar volatile, highly flammable substances. It was a chore being the student representative on the school H&S committee, having to relate the bleedin' obvious to people who should have known better.

Re: The Great Fuel Crisis of 2012 : Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:40 pm  

John_D wrote:

A good number of people on the same chemistry degree course I did weren't aware of that with similar volatile, highly flammable substances. It was a chore being the student representative on the school H&S committee, having to relate the bleedin' obvious to people who should have known better.

Chemists were always the most dangerous people I knew, they basically spend their lives performing reactions that only just don't blow up or only just don't release fatal levels of toxic gas. I can't even imagine them having H&S committees.

I set my chemistry teachers arm on fire at school and he barely even made a comment.