Re: Kelvin MacKenzie : Fri Sep 14, 2012 9:45 am  

So everyone in the ground had a ticket- is that what you are saying?

Re: Kelvin MacKenzie : Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:06 am  

east stander wrote:

So everyone in the ground had a ticket- is that what you are saying?

A damned sight greater percentage than here, dear:



Let's repeat this slowly and in the smallest words possible.

Liverpool fans were not the cause of the disaster.

Re: Kelvin MacKenzie : Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:12 am  

east stander wrote:

So everyone in the ground had a ticket- is that what you are saying?

There's no evidence to suggest that a number of people great enough to have contributed to the disaster in any meaningful way didn't have a ticket. Unless you are in possession of some that you didn't release to the panel, are you?

Re: Kelvin MacKenzie : Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:30 am  

By the time SYP had gone through pockets looking for stuff to discredit the victims with, there were probably a few without tickets then.

Re: Kelvin MacKenzie : Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:52 am  

So the answer is that those in the ground who had no legitimate right to be there have no reason to have any feeling of guilt as it is deemed that there presence did not contribute to the series of events that caused the deaths- That’s made it clearer

Re: Kelvin MacKenzie : Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:58 am  

east stander wrote:

So the answer is that those in the ground who had no legitimate right to be there have no reason to have any feeling of guilt as it is deemed that there presence did not contribute to the series of events that caused the deaths - That’s made it clearer

Well done. You're finally beginning to grasp the facts.

Re: Kelvin MacKenzie : Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:14 am  

What did cause them?

[Kosh]

Re: Kelvin MacKenzie : Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:19 am  

east stander wrote:

So the answer is that those in the ground who had no legitimate right to be there have no reason to have any feeling of guilt as it is deemed that there presence did not contribute to the series of events that caused the deaths- That’s made it clearer

Let's go through this slowly for you...

The ground sold out. Every available ticket gone. The stand in which the disaster took place was over capacity by a whopping 24 people. Even if you assume that some in the stand had no tickets they could not possibly have had a material effect on events as enough tickets were sold to fill the stand anyway.

Crystal yet?

[Kosh]

Re: Kelvin MacKenzie : Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:19 am  

east stander wrote: What did cause them? http://hillsborough.independent.gov.uk/

east stander wrote: What did cause them? http://hillsborough.independent.gov.uk/

Re: Kelvin MacKenzie : Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:21 am  

Mintball wrote:

A damned sight greater percentage than here, dear:



Let's repeat this slowly and in the smallest words possible.

Liverpool fans were not the cause of the disaster.

I was also thinking of the 1954 Challenge Cup final replay at Odsal when many thousands entered the ground without tickets. Considering that over 100,000 people were stood on "terraces" which were made of cinder and a few railway sleepers its incredible how the whole lot didnt subside.