Re: OMG - Christian wins employment tribunal : Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:33 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

as opposed to everyone else in the world?

No. As opposed to you, who did not describe what I described.

If that lie fits better with your experience of the world, you should really ask yourself why your view of the world needs to be based on a lie.

It fits better with my view of the world because my view of the world is based upon my experience of the world. My experience of the world is no more or less a lie than is yours.

Re: OMG - Christian wins employment tribunal : Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:57 pm  

Standee wrote:

I see the f'whit.... I mean "laypeople" have kept the church in the dark ages when it comes to women Bishops, what a bunch of complete bigoted w@nkers the "congregation" of the Church of England are.

The vote was lost by only six votes, and that was only in the house of laity. Those against ordination of women as bishops have been quoted as saying their problem was with the legislation. They wanted those 'in conscience' who could not vote in favour to be allowed an exception, much like the case is for those who 'in conscience' cannot accept women priests are catered for now.

The CofE is unique as a religious organisation, and indeed almost so as an organisation per se, because unlike any other it represents a massively diverse set of people, with very diverse beliefs, in the UK and all over the world. Trying to secure a consensus in an organisation with so much diversity is almost impossible.

Re: OMG - Christian wins employment tribunal : Wed Nov 21, 2012 5:52 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

Skin colour makes no difference when it comes to sex. If we are talking about the love which leads to marriage and I presume we are given the topic of the OP, then sex has to be a part of that. Straight sex and gay sex are different, at the very least because of the gender issues. Therefore, the love between a straight couple and a gay couple cannot be the same. I'm not saying it is wrong; I'm making no value judgement at all. But to state the two are the same is illogical, simply due to the sexual element.

You are aware that love and sex are not the same thing? If so, why are you conflating them?

Re: OMG - Christian wins employment tribunal : Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:01 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

The CofE is unique as a religious organisation, and indeed almost so as an organisation per se, because unlike any other it represents a massively diverse set of people, with very diverse beliefs, in the UK and all over the world. Trying to secure a consensus in an organisation with so much diversity is almost impossible.

The CofE is almost unique, especially in its involvement in the legislature. I'm still at a loss as to why the Lords Spiritual are granted a role in British law making when they clearly discriminate against people on the grounds of gender, sexuality and religion. I say "amost unique" because I know of only one other country that allows unelected religious leaders of one faith to participate in its legislature - Iran

Re: OMG - Christian wins employment tribunal : Wed Nov 21, 2012 8:20 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

Trying to secure a consensus in an organisation with so much diversity is almost impossible.

There is a consesnus, they're all bigoted nutjobs that believe a fairy story.

I'm with coddy on the legislative angle too, how great it is to be in a club with Iran.

Re: OMG - Christian wins employment tribunal : Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:20 pm  

I am not a member of the Church of England and I don’t know much about their leadership, democracy and decision-making processes.

However, the decision to bar women from teaching within the church can only be a good thing for Christianity. For a start I hope the same ones who derailed this silly motion also defend the biblical definition of marriage when the time inevitably comes.

I don’t think that many contributors to this debate understand the reasons why women should not be allowed to have authority in church. The Bible is explicitly clear on this subject – much more so than other contentious areas such as sexuality and abortion. Those arguing against female bishops aren’t saying that women would not make good leaders – there are numerous women in the Bible who set a good example - they are simply following God’s word. If God has deemed his church to be led by men then we must accept that. We should NOT try to impose 21st Century secularist ‘values’ on to God’s unchanging revelation. It might be fashionable to advocate senior women clergy, but it is unbiblical and un-Christian.

At the end of the day it is the CofE’s ship and they must sail in whatever direction their members take them. My church does not have a hierarchical structure in place. We are all equal in our fellowship and a (male) Pastor leads our services. This is the way things should be.

Re: OMG - Christian wins employment tribunal : Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:28 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

I am not a member of the Church of England and I don’t know much about their leadership, democracy and decision-making processes.

However, the decision to bar women from teaching within the church can only be a good thing for Christianity. For a start I hope the same ones who derailed this silly motion also defend the biblical definition of marriage when the time inevitably comes.

I don’t think that many contributors to this debate understand the reasons why women should not be allowed to have authority in church. The Bible is explicitly clear on this subject – much more so than other contentious areas such as sexuality and abortion. Those arguing against female bishops aren’t saying that women would not make good leaders – there are numerous women in the Bible who set a good example - they are simply following God’s word. If God has deemed his church to be led by men then we must accept that. We should NOT try to impose 21st Century secularist ‘values’ on to God’s unchanging revelation. It might be fashionable to advocate senior women clergy, but it is unbiblical and un-Christian.

At the end of the day it is the CofE’s ship and they must sail in whatever direction their members take them. My church does not have a hierarchical structure in place. We are all equal in our fellowship and a (male) Pastor leads our services. This is the way things should be.

you have to be a troll

Re: OMG - Christian wins employment tribunal : Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:39 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Homosexual love is obviously different from heterosexual love: the former is between members of the same gender, the latter between members of the opposite gender. Obviously they are different.

Oh dear...

Re: OMG - Christian wins employment tribunal : Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:41 pm  

Considering marriage pre-dates Christianity it seems odd to use the biblical definition of it. Or was that religious leaders imposing 1st Century values onto it?

Re: OMG - Christian wins employment tribunal : Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:05 pm  

Bearded wrote:

Considering marriage pre-dates Christianity it seems odd to use the biblical definition of it. Or was that religious leaders imposing 1st Century values onto it?

Marriage goes back to Eden and is as old as mankind itself.