Re: Euro Crisis Revived With Yet Another EU Buggle : Fri Mar 22, 2013 2:47 pm  

Dally wrote:

If you read what I said then it is nothing like you "interpretation" of it. However, many times you repeat it it never will be, will it?

Trying to turn into a slippery eel again Dally?
It would be easier for you if you didn't type silly things that get you slaughtered TBH.

Re: Euro Crisis Revived With Yet Another EU Buggle : Fri Mar 22, 2013 3:01 pm  

Dally wrote:

If you read what I said then it is nothing like you "interpretation" of it. However, many times you repeat it it never will be, will it?

Oh, I read it fine.

Dally wrote:

I think there's pretty good reasons for "Germanophobia" don't you? Europe has an ageing population with millions of people still alive who suffered as a result of their evil. They are individually and collectively a nation of bullies who only respect one thing - being stood up to. I say well done Cyprus and I would really like the UK to bail Cyprus out on the condition they leave the Euro and join a new "sterling zone?"

Which bit have I got wrong?

Re: Euro Crisis Revived With Yet Another EU Buggle : Fri Mar 22, 2013 3:57 pm  

El Barbudo wrote:

No, it's you who seems to think that it's because Germans do "evil" and are "bullies" that Cyprus is being hard-done-to.

Dally can't even manage to do the one last 'acceptable' bigotry without making a mess of it, can he?

Re: Euro Crisis Revived With Yet Another EU Buggle : Fri Mar 22, 2013 5:09 pm  

El Barbudo wrote:

Oh, I read it fine.

Which bit have I got wrong?

Your ability to interpret the written word.

Re: Euro Crisis Revived With Yet Another EU Buggle : Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:23 am  

Dally wrote:

Your ability to interpret the written word.

Technically, he can't get an ability" wrong. You either have it, or you don't. If you get it wrong, that would be an "inability".

Like your inability to explain away your racist comment about Germans, or answer a simple question.

Re: Euro Crisis Revived With Yet Another EU Buggle : Sat Mar 23, 2013 2:28 pm  

Dally wrote:

Your ability to interpret the written word.

OK, you've been given multiple chances to clarify and have elected not to do so, preferring instead to suggest you have been misunderstood.
I guess we'll just have to add xenophobia to your list of exhibited bigotries.

Re: Euro Crisis Revived With Yet Another EU Buggle : Sat Mar 23, 2013 7:19 pm  

El Barbudo wrote:

OK, you've been given multiple chances to clarify and have elected not to do so, preferring instead to suggest you have been misunderstood.
I guess we'll just have to add xenophobia to your list of exhibited bigotries.

There's nothing to explain until you've clarified why you have chosen to misrepresent or lie about what I wrote.

Re: Euro Crisis Revived With Yet Another EU Buggle : Sat Mar 23, 2013 9:25 pm  

Dally wrote:

There's nothing to explain until you've clarified why you have chosen to misrepresent or lie about what I wrote.

Quoting you was a misrepresentation or a lie?

[DaveO]

Re: Euro Crisis Revived With Yet Another EU Buggle : Sun Mar 24, 2013 3:09 am  

Mintball wrote:

That's an anonymous quote, there. Always dodgy.

And indeed, even on the basis of assuming that quote to be correct, it does not say what you want it to say.

It says: "He says the structure of the Cypriot bailout has been determined by German politics." This is not one and the same with 'the German government demanded this particular plan'.

It could entirely reasonably mean that what you have already acknowledged (that there's an election in Germany this year etc) has been influential in this particular plan being hatched.

Don't get me wrong – I'm no fan of the pastor's daughter and her political friends, but I do get a sense (perhaps wrongly) that you are quite happy to pursue a certain line on precisely the basis of the Germanophobia that was mentioned in the article I linked to this morning.

Because the idea that this is somehow the sole responsibility of Germany is basically nonsense and, as that article suggests, is massively influenced by that 'og God, the Krauts are involved again – it's the Nazis back' kind of attitude.

Your response to the issue of the man you quoted being Dutch and the Eurogroup not being just Germany is revealing, because exactly the same thing that you claim for Germany in that situation can be said of every other member of that group. Germany couldn't carry that group on its own, even it was the one screaming: 'let's hit the small savers of Cyprus!'

I think you are clutching at straws regarding dismissing quotes from the BBC as you do.

I am also rather stunned that the Germophope accusation be directed at me. It's quite ridiculous if you know anything about my politics and views on Europe which I am sure you do given my posting history on here.

Finally, given the way this has developed over recent days and as reported on the BBC news only today it is blindingly obvious the German goverment is the prime mover behind a deposit raid. They may have other governments who agree with them but if we get a depsotit raid or not hangs on the German governments agreement one way or the other. It's clear to me it they who are insisting upon it and I think that is borne out by the way it is being reported.

Re: Euro Crisis Revived With Yet Another EU Buggle : Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:44 am  

Unfortunately, the Beeb is not what it was in terms of news reporting: just to give two examples, it has done almost zilch on the privatisation of the NHS, and has been unquestioning of the lies of IDS.

It entirely suits the government to have an idea conveyed that Germany is at the heart of this and, by implication, so much more powerful than any of the other governments that were involved that it could 'bully' (to use Dally's word) the rest.

I doubt this government is particularly Germanophobic itself. We know that it is Europhobic in terms of some regulation - almost certainly rights for workers - but given Cameron's promise to have a vote on Europe, which is entirely aimed at Eurouphobics (rather even than Eurosceptics) having the old card about a dangerously big, bullying Germany at the heart of the problems is a lovely little theme to be heard - and a distraction from the real issues.