Re: It's Donald Trump : Thu Nov 24, 2016 1:28 pm  

BrisbaneRhino wrote:

We had a documentary on the ABC (equivalent of the Beeb) the other night re Trump. The most interesting thing by far was when the female reporter was talking to a couple of older women who voted for Trump. She tried several times to elicit some kind of outrage on behalf of all women re Trump's misogyny, but she couldn't. It was like they were talking a different language (including a fair degree of patronising tone thrown in for good measure).

In a nutshell that interview summed up for me the gap between the mainstream 'liberal' media and a big chunk of society. Its not so much that these women weren't outraged, but the reporter simply could not comprehend why. They might be dumb and ignorant, but she had a total and utter failure to comprehend their views and as a result had no way to communicate with them.

Replace sexism with racism (or immigration) or protectionism and I expect you'll see exactly the same kind of non-communication with many 'average' people who voted Trump or Brexit. What passes for the mainstream has moved on and just doesn't get that a large section of society not only hasn't moved on but doesn't want to, and more to the point resents being told they are fools or bigots for not agreeing.

I genuinely struggle to see how the generally upper middle class mainstream media can re-enage (or in many cases engage for the first time) with these people.

The liberal left are wholly intolerant and censorious of alternative views. They seen incapable of seeing the irony in the rabidity.

Re: It's Donald Trump : Thu Nov 24, 2016 2:38 pm  

BrisbaneRhino wrote:

We had a documentary on the ABC (equivalent of the Beeb) the other night re Trump. The most interesting thing by far was when the female reporter was talking to a couple of older women who voted for Trump. She tried several times to elicit some kind of outrage on behalf of all women re Trump's misogyny, but she couldn't. It was like they were talking a different language (including a fair degree of patronising tone thrown in for good measure).

In a nutshell that interview summed up for me the gap between the mainstream 'liberal' media and a big chunk of society. Its not so much that these women weren't outraged, but the reporter simply could not comprehend why. They might be dumb and ignorant, but she had a total and utter failure to comprehend their views and as a result had no way to communicate with them.

Replace sexism with racism (or immigration) or protectionism and I expect you'll see exactly the same kind of non-communication with many 'average' people who voted Trump or Brexit. What passes for the mainstream has moved on and just doesn't get that a large section of society not only hasn't moved on but doesn't want to, and more to the point resents being told they are fools or bigots for not agreeing.

I genuinely struggle to see how the generally upper middle class mainstream media can re-enage (or in many cases engage for the first time) with these people.

Although I agree with your last comment, it was the upper middle class that voted for Brexit over here.
The Brexit protesters, who want things to happen instantly, are the over 60's, you know, the ones that read the Daily Mail & Telegraph and always turn up to vote.
They remember when Britain was Great and we ruled the commonwealth and taught the world to read and write.
The "average people", slightly disaffected with politics after the banking crisis , just follow the lead from the tabloids, which just happen to be owned by the right wing Tory loving press.
I get that many, many people are p'd off with the way things have been and who can blame them but, change for the sake of it, isn't neccessarily a good thing.
After all Hilter filled a void and sold a dream to the masses.

Re: It's Donald Trump : Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:54 pm  

I get that many, many people are p'd off with the way things have been and who can blame them but, change for the sake of it, isn't neccessarily a good thing.
After all Hilter filled a void and sold a dream to the masses.

You always have to have the last word.

What is change for the sake of change. If we don't change we get more of what we're p155ed off with don't we. What you trying to say?

Don't forget the over 60's will be far more familiar with the Hitler era, but hey.

BR comment The liberal left are wholly intolerant and censorious of alternative views. They seen incapable of seeing the irony in the rabidity. couldnt be more true with you

Re: It's Donald Trump : Fri Nov 25, 2016 8:55 pm  

Exiled down south wrote:

You always have to have the last word.

What is change for the sake of change. If we don't change we get more of what we're p155ed off with don't we. What you trying to say?

Don't forget the over 60's will be far more familiar with the Hitler era, but hey.

BR comment The liberal left are wholly intolerant and censorious of alternative views. They seen incapable of seeing the irony in the rabidity. couldnt be more true with you

Give me liberal left anytime (although it's certainly a new one on me) . it's eminently preferable to anything associated to Farage.
I'll leave you to select one of the many titles that have been attributed to him over recent months.
He's been particularly good at brown nosing Trumps rear end , not a place that too many people would want to go.

Re: It's Donald Trump : Sat Nov 26, 2016 12:05 am  

Exiled down south wrote:

BR comment The liberal left are wholly intolerant and censorious of alternative views. They seen incapable of seeing the irony in the rabidity. couldnt be more true with you

Dally's.

Re: It's Donald Trump : Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:58 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

He's been particularly good at brown nosing Trumps rear end , not a place that too many people would want to go.

Maybe, but we know Many people in high places will follow suit...Our current PM included, when she finally gets an invite to the Tower

Re: It's Donald Trump : Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:17 pm  

Re-count underway in Wisconsin so in a few days we get to see Trump win the state again.

Re: It's Donald Trump : Fri Dec 02, 2016 2:08 pm  

Exiled down south wrote:

You always have to have the last word.

So one minute "the silence is deafening" and when someone replies they "have to have the last word"?

OK

Re: It's Donald Trump : Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:12 pm  

It's good to know that the leader of the free world lies awake at night, wrestling with the really key questions impacting on world affairs. Like whether a topical comedy show is actually funny; or if the person impersonating him is doing a decent job. And then decides to troll China.

Re: It's Donald Trump : Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:44 pm  

Oh fantastic, now him & Putin are planning on upping the ante re Nuclear Weapons. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38410027 I remember the last "Arms Race" & it sucked. I fondly recall one Sunday morning, back in the day, when the siren went off (obviously a malfunction or human error, probably the second) but I rushed into the room to see if there was anything on the telly, but the short time it took me to realise Armageddon wasn't happening that day, it was forever engraved in my memory.

Oh fantastic, now him & Putin are planning on upping the ante re Nuclear Weapons. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38410027 I remember the last "Arms Race" & it sucked. I fondly recall one Sunday morning, back in the day, when the siren went off (obviously a malfunction or human error, probably the second) but I rushed into the room to see if there was anything on the telly, but the short time it took me to realise Armageddon wasn't happening that day, it was forever engraved in my memory.