Re: Boris Johnson : Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:07 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

The EU have to come with something - no deal is a bigger disaster for them Germany is already in recession a np deal would be calamitous for them and the rest of the EU which they are helping to prop up.

The German side of our family are over for a couple of weeks at Christmas. I'll save your post to show them after a few beers; I have never actually seen someone pi ss themselves with laughter, but would put good money on this being a first.

Re: Boris Johnson : Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:47 pm  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

I think sometimes he is, like the above (nobody who isn't a moron thinks no-deal is worse for Germany than the UK).
OTOH on some of his ignorant points of detail, he's just a typical Brexiteer who has spent two minutes thinking about something and then thinks they are an expert on it and that actual experts are just metropolitain elites.

I never said the impact on Germany to the UK was greater than the UK to Europe - what I did was Germany is not in a great position right now and yes if you believe Maynard Keynes everything is cyclical. Germany's well being is very important to the EU project anyone who thinks this is not the case is delusional.

There influence is far more than mere numbers - personally I don't see how we can ever leave other than no deal - logic says it is not possible any other way.

Re: Boris Johnson : Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:49 pm  

tigertot wrote:

The German side of our family are over for a couple of weeks at Christmas. I'll save your post to show them after a few beers; I have never actually seen someone pi ss themselves with laughter, but would put good money on this being a first.

So clever clogs if the impact on EU of no deal is such minor thing to them why are they so bothered - just let the UK go.

Re: Boris Johnson : Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:32 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

So clever clogs if the impact on EU of no deal is such minor thing to them why are they so bothered - just let the UK go.

The EU is not holding us hostage - they are 'letting us go' - but not in a way that damages the integrity or the security of the member states; which is exactly what we would be lobbying for them to do if this was a Frexit or a Grexit or whatever else.

What you really mean is that they won't let us go without hand-delivering the unicorns that Nigel and Boris and co promised you they would - so now you're having a hissy-fit.

Re: Boris Johnson : Wed Oct 09, 2019 3:00 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

So clever clogs if the impact on EU of no deal is such minor thing to them why are they so bothered - just let the UK go.

I didn't say it would be a minor thing. Why do you repeatedly resort to lying & untruths when you make pathetic, groundless statements that are shown to be just that? It's not to hide your embarrassment is it?

Germany successfully integrated Eastern Germany at an estimated cost of 2 trillion Euros. They got on & did it. The trade deficit with the UK will, to quote our woman assaulting PM, be chicken feed.

BTW, I'm still waiting for you to show one post where I made things up, as you stated I regularly did.

Re: Boris Johnson : Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:07 pm  

tigertot wrote:

I didn't say it would be a minor thing. Why do you repeatedly resort to lying & untruths when you make pathetic, groundless statements that are shown to be just that? It's not to hide your embarrassment is it?

Germany successfully integrated Eastern Germany at an estimated cost of 2 trillion Euros. They got on & did it. The trade deficit with the UK will, to quote our woman assaulting PM, be chicken feed.

BTW, I'm still waiting for you to show one post where I made things up, as you stated I regularly did.

No body is lying here - your are suggesting that you German friends will be laughing - don't see much laughing going on in Brussels. If it weren't for our own MPs including our own Speaker siding with Europe against their own country their would be a lot more glum faces in Europe. The UK leaving is a huge issue for the EU - you and you relatives might think its a laughing matter, I doubt Tusk/Barnier/Jonkers/Merkel etc are laughing.

You have been named and shamed so life is too short to go through hundreds of pages to pander to your over inflated ego.

Re: Boris Johnson : Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:40 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

No body is lying here - your are suggesting that you German friends will be laughing - don't see much laughing going on in Brussels. If it weren't for our own MPs including our own Speaker siding with Europe against their own country their would be a lot more glum faces in Europe.

Why do you insist on portraying other people who want what is best for their country as traitors? Why do you insist on portraying our peaceful neighbours as an enemy, to be hated and feared?
What kind of person speaks like that? What kind of person thinks like that?

Re: Boris Johnson : Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:31 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

No body is lying here - your are suggesting that you German friends will be laughing - don't see much laughing going on in Brussels. If it weren't for our own MPs including our own Speaker siding with Europe against their own country their would be a lot more glum faces in Europe. The UK leaving is a huge issue for the EU - you and you relatives might think its a laughing matter, I doubt Tusk/Barnier/Jonkers/Merkel etc are laughing.

You have been named and shamed so life is too short to go through hundreds of pages to pander to your over inflated ego.

Come on.
Mrs May couldn't get agreement within her own cabinet and Boris has had to withdraw the whip from 21 of his own MP's, with others still deeply concerned with the direction of travel, towards a no deal Brexit.
Boris's fag packet arrangements, with effectively 2 borders on the island of Ireland, drive a bus through the Good Friday Agreement and appear unworkable for all but the Tory inner circle.
As for laughing. If it wasn't such a serious issue, the whole world would be laughing at the UK government (if we can actually still call it that)

Having sold us something which was always impossible to deliver (with a deal), rather than admit that perhaps a mistake or two had been made Boris & Co have now had to take us down a path to self destruction in the name of "no deal".

Some of the numbers coming out are eye wateringly bad for all of us in the UK and still there is no realistic likelihood of life being better Iin the short to medium term if we leave with no deal.

The figures may mean an instant return to austerity, to cover the government borrowing needed just to plug the holes in the post Brexit dyke.

Re: Boris Johnson : Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:18 am  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

Why do you insist on portraying other people who want what is best for their country as traitors? Why do you insist on portraying our peaceful neighbours as an enemy, to be hated and feared?
What kind of person speaks like that? What kind of person thinks like that?

Why did Macron announce that the May deal would give the EU "tremendous leverage" against the UK within hours of the deal being struck? Not very friendly and peaceful IMO. And what is best for our country is not necessarily what people like Blair and Bercow think.

Re: Boris Johnson : Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:27 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

your are suggesting that you German friends will be laughing..... - don't see much laughing going on in Brussels. you and you relatives might think its a laughing matter, I doubt Tusk/Barnier/Jonkers/Merkel etc are laughing.

Tut, tut. My relatives in Germany are bloody furious. They much prefer a peaceful, co-operative Europe to the one some of them experienced. There is also the small matter of how the British ones amongst them who travel to a neighbouring EU country every day for work are going to get on. Or move backwards & forwards to the UK. What they will laugh at, & won't miss the irony, is an ignorant xenophobe quoting factless cliches from a newspaper who supported the Nazi's in the 30s

No body is lying here

50% aren't, 50% are.

You have been named and shamed so life is too short to go through hundreds of pages to pander to your over inflated ego.

You call it ego, I call it honesty. I'll give £100 to the Tory party for any example you give of me making things up.