Re: TORY Mansion tax and pension raid ? : Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:03 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

Johnson likes the PM tag, he doesn’t like the scrutiny, so relying on Cummings to run the government hence he is nowhere to be seen with regards the recent floods, stayed on his freebee holiday and has left those on the cruise ship stranded.
I am afraid we are going to have to get use to this because I doubt he will change because he thinks why answer awkward questions when you can dodge and still get elected.

When was the last time you heard a politician give a straight answer to a simple question?

Re: TORY Mansion tax and pension raid ? : Tue Feb 18, 2020 3:00 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

When was the last time you heard a politician give a straight answer to a simple question?

Kind of reinforces the line 'the people get the government they deserve'.

If lying is the default, and the people aren't too bothered, we'll be forever governed by liars.

Re: TORY Mansion tax and pension raid ? : Tue Feb 18, 2020 3:13 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

When was the last time you heard a politician give a straight answer to a simple question?

I've heard Boris give plenty of straight answers...……………………………...only to change his mind when the time and place suits

Re: TORY Mansion tax and pension raid ? : Wed Feb 19, 2020 8:55 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

I've heard Boris give plenty of straight answers...……………………………...only to change his mind when the time and place suits

They are all the same - Labour promised a referendum on the EU in 2 manifestos and never delivered - McDonald said only the top 5% would suffer tax increases and then backtracked big style. Labour said climate change in place by 2030 then spoke to uncle Len and then it was 2050. They are all as bad as each other.

Re: TORY Mansion tax and pension raid ? : Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:05 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

They are all the same - Labour promised a referendum on the EU in 2 manifestos and never delivered - McDonald said only the top 5% would suffer tax increases and then backtracked big style. Labour said climate change in place by 2030 then spoke to uncle Len and then it was 2050. They are all as bad as each other.

Actually, I think they are all far from "the same".
People like Trump and Boris just wouldn't have been elected years ago.

They only have one principle, which is to put themselves first and sod the rest.
There are plenty of politicians that I dont like or didn't like but, some at least had a set of principles, sadly, not these two clowns.

Re: TORY Mansion tax and pension raid ? : Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:09 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Actually, I think they are all far from "the same".
People like Trump and Boris just wouldn't have been elected years ago.

They only have one principle, which is to put themselves first and sod the rest.
There are plenty of politicians that I dont like or didn't like but, some at least had a set of principles, sadly, not these two clowns.

There are the likes of Dennis Skinner but they are an irrelevance in the wider scheme - even Corbyn a long-time Euro sceptic went with the wind in an attempt to get elected.

Re: TORY Mansion tax and pension raid ? : Wed Feb 19, 2020 7:37 pm  

Yeah that was the only thing Corbyn did where he was inauthentic and it meant he always struggled to be convincing on the Brexit issue, as his whole appeal was based on his authenticity. Boris has flip flopped on Brexit and was able to get away with it as people kind of expect him to flip flop.

Re: TORY Mansion tax and pension raid ? : Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:30 pm  

I see Priti Patel following her leader by exaggerating the so called number of those eligible to work but don’t 8.4 million. These people are meant to fill the jobs of those that are no longer eligible to stay. It would appear that when you take out Students, the sick, home carers the actual number is around 33,000.
They are looking to the various companies to make the jobs more appealing so to the attract British workers. I wonder if the public realise that any increase in costs will be passed onto them, but according to the Conservatives it is a price worth paying.

Re: TORY Mansion tax and pension raid ? : Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:17 am  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

I see Priti Patel following her leader by exaggerating the so called number of those eligible to work but don’t 8.4 million. These people are meant to fill the jobs of those that are no longer eligible to stay. It would appear that when you take out Students, the sick, home carers the actual number is around 33,000.
They are looking to the various companies to make the jobs more appealing so to the attract British workers. I wonder if the public realise that any increase in costs will be passed onto them, but according to the Conservatives it is a price worth paying.

Perhaps these companies need to pay remunerations that are attractive enough to get the workers they need - and we all need to pay more or find ways of reducing costs during the growing season to fund the picking?

Anyone who thinks there are only 33k people in the whole country available for work is delusional - put a million in front of it and you might be close - certainly enough spare bodies to pick the fruit/vegetable/crops.

Re: TORY Mansion tax and pension raid ? : Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:44 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Perhaps these companies need to pay remunerations that are attractive enough to get the workers they need - and we all need to pay more or find ways of reducing costs during the growing season to fund the picking?

Anyone who thinks there are only 33k people in the whole country available for work is delusional - put a million in front of it and you might be close - certainly enough spare bodies to pick the fruit/vegetable/crops.

There's already a loophole to allow the fruit & veg producers to employ seasonal workers.

The more likely outcome, if there is a shortage of workers in any particular sector, is a bit of wage inflation and while this is a good thing for those who receive higher wages, inevitably this will lead to some inflationary pressure, followed by the inevitable rise in interest rates.

It will take a little while for the ecconomy to re balance itself.

Mind you, if the UK comes under pressure following the trade deal (or lack of one), an economic reverse and a few job losses will help create a workers pool to then fil the holes.