Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:46 am  

TrinityIHC wrote:

It's not promises of free stuff. Its literally reversals of tax breaks given out the last 7 years to business and the rich and the savings being distributed to those on middle/lower incomes.

I work at the sharp end of where tory cuts fall and it's absolutely disgusting the effects it has on people. it's actually creating poverty which is a complete waste of potential and resources. Single under 25's who become unemployed are under such tremendous financial pressure that trying to keep a little bit stable takes up time that could be devoted to seeking employment.

No extra money to buy a shirt for an interview, no money to travel to interviews or bigger cities to look for work. Life on benefits shouldn't be comfortable, but neither should it be a living hell either. Disabled people, including ex servicemen are losing £30 a week and having their motability cars seized. Food bank use is through the roof, local provisions for them have been all but removed.

As I said I don't like a number of things the Conservatives do and in an ideal world Labour would have a much better leader. The problem is Corbyn would do much more long term damage to the country, some just can't/won't see it.

[Bullseye]

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:06 am  

I'm not sure about that. Give me some examples of where he would do long term damage.

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:25 am  

Bullseye wrote:

I'm not sure about that. Give me some examples of where he would do long term damage.

The difficulties will arise when they (Labour) cant raise the funds to cover some of their eye watering election promises.
They have made some of the heftiest spending commitments ever and their plan to tax businesses and the better off simply wont work in the long term.
All businesses from the very small to the large multi nationals will change some of their "habits" to keep their businesses more "tax" efficient and that is before the joy's of Brexit.

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:44 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Nobody wants to engage in the debate as to what we want from our NHS - we spend 80bn yes 80bn and yet we don't want to have the discussion. All Labour want to do is throw money at it - its bonkers.

Its not utopia is real - I educated my kids privately but still paid into the pot to educate others, I pay for private health care so where ever possible I avoid clogging up the NHS so more needy people get the service first.

As a leftie what are you doing to help you fellow man?

Wow.

So you pretend that paying privately for your health and the education of your children is to do the rest of us a favour

You use private education and private health because you perceive these services to be better than their state equivalents.

Unless you are marking yourself down with some of the famous philanthropists of our time, who genuinely did great things for others, you are looking after #1 and I dont blame you for doing that but. please dont pretend that you are doing these things for the benefit of the rest of us, it's degrading and you are treating others with contempt

[Bullseye]

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:45 am  

Well I'm not sure that is really "long term damage".

E.g. Labour's promised increase in NHS spending may not be easily paid for but I suspect the money they would raise would still eclipse what the Conservatives say they would put it in. There's a £14bn difference in the manifestos.

As with all things tax it's a constantly changing picture. Payment habits may well change but so will collecting habits. I suspect there may be more of an appetite to collect under a Labour government.

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:00 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

Well I'm not sure that is really "long term damage".

E.g. Labour's promised increase in NHS spending may not be easily paid for but I suspect the money they would raise would still eclipse what the Conservatives say they would put it in. There's a £14bn difference in the manifestos.

As with all things tax it's a constantly changing picture. Payment habits may well change but so will collecting habits. I suspect there may be more of an appetite to collect under a Labour government.

The problem that the government (Labour or Conservative) has with regard to collecting taxes is 2 fold.
No 1, the larger companies have better accountants than HMRC have collectors and then there is International trade, which is hugely complicated and deciding which country's are entitled to collect tax revenues is just the firs hurdle and as I say, the ways of moving tax liabilities make collection nigh on impossible, which is why google and amazon etc get away with paying very, very small amount of tax on huge revenues.

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:22 pm  

PrinterThe wrote:

Corbyn sums simply don't add up

A printer & an economist. Wow, impressive.

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:18 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

The problem that the government (Labour or Conservative) has with regard to collecting taxes is 2 fold.
No 1, the larger companies have better accountants than HMRC have collectors and then there is International trade, which is hugely complicated and deciding which country's are entitled to collect tax revenues is just the firs hurdle and as I say, the ways of moving tax liabilities make collection nigh on impossible, which is why google and amazon etc get away with paying very, very small amount of tax on huge revenues.

This is much touted - but I've provided a link earlier in the thread that shows that Labour's proposed CT rate is lower than the 2010 rate, and would still be amongst the lowest in the G20. So if all of these mega-corps whom we are so beholden to would up-sticks and move abroad, why haven't they done so before now? I would suggest that it's because there are significant additional advantages to being based in the UK - not least our (previously)unfettered access to the European market.

And with regard to avoidance - it's rife now and has been for years; I would suggest that a Labour government would have a significantly greater appetite to collect robustly, given that Corybn and co aren't married to and very much in bed with the establishment figures who own, operate and benefit from their shady dealings.

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:50 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Wow.

So you pretend that paying privately for your health and the education of your children is to do the rest of us a favour

You use private education and private health because you perceive these services to be better than their state equivalents.

Unless you are marking yourself down with some of the famous philanthropists of our time, who genuinely did great things for others, you are looking after #1 and I dont blame you for doing that but. please dont pretend that you are doing these things for the benefit of the rest of us, it's degrading and you are treating others with contempt

The Labour Party is champion of double standards with private education. Mainly through the post code lottery ,whereby any decent school in a reasonable area ,the house prices rocket. So people with money push the lower end of the working class out.
I won't even mention certain labour members who educate children privately. Whilst at the same time disowning the private education system.
If certain schools were up to a decent standard ,the people who sent children to private schools would be able to send them to state schools. Thus saving themselves a pile of money. Obviously and as stated before people who use the private schools system and private hospitals are paying twice.

Re: General Election 8th June : Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:59 pm  

Backwoodsman wrote:

The Labour Party is champion of double standards with private education. Mainly through the post code lottery ,whereby any decent school in a reasonable area ,the house prices rocket. So people with money push the lower end of the working class out.
I won't even mention certain labour members who educate children privately. Whilst at the same time disowning the private education system.
If certain schools were up to a decent standard ,the people who sent children to private schools would be able to send them to state schools. Thus saving themselves a pile of money. Obviously and as stated before people who use the private schools system and private hospitals are paying twice.

What you have put has nothing to do with what he was replying to. He was berating the previous poster for making it sound like he was doing the poor a favour by privately educating his children. Your only reason for posting what you did must have been for mud slinging.