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Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue May 22, 2012 10:20 pm  
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I cannot understand how you cannot understand it.

I presume where back to the bible?


Well I can't.

Took the bait!
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Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue May 22, 2012 10:27 pm  
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What about the OPs right to legally follow his religious beliefs?


Nobody has stated that the OP is not entitled to his religious beliefs (with the possible exception of Standee), people have however critisized these beliefs especially those which were bigoted and showed intolerance to other most namely homosexuals.

A persona has the right to hold whatever beleifs they desire however other people are entitled to critisize those same religious beliefs expecially when those beliefs are homophobic and are being used in an attempt to deny rights to other individuals such as the OP's beliefs were.

As I said, whether or not you agree with his views he has not been foul-mouthed. That cannot be said for others.
So, I would say he holds the higher (relatively speaking) moral ground.


The use of foul language says nothing about the morality of an individual, whilst I personally have avoided the use of profanity I see no problem with other people using words such as F***, afterall they are merely words. The only reason such words are considered to be profane is because as subjective human beings we have decided in our particular society that such words are profane. I however don't see why such words should be regarded as taboo especially when in some instances we have words with the exact same meanings which are considered to be absolutely fine.

Much of this profanity also appears to stem from a feeling that individuals are banging their heads against a brick wall, which is quite a common feeling when dealing with religious fundamentalists who hold an uncritical adherence to their particular version of religious scripture.

The fact that you consider a person who has demonstrated the level of bigotry that Kirkstaller has to be holding the moral ground in relation to individuals who have used merely used profanities says more about your own misguided view of morality than it does about the morality of anyone else in this thread.
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Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue May 22, 2012 10:29 pm  
Dally wrote:
Well I can't.

Took the bait!


What I often find is that when asked for truth and facts religious types fail and then try to take the 'moral high ground' often over the use of words that they find offensive.

They totally ignore their own bigotry.

And then pretend to be fishing.

Well done.

Good thread drift.

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Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue May 22, 2012 10:31 pm  
Dally wrote:
What about the OPs right to legally follow his religious beliefs? As I said, whether or not you agree with his views he has not been foul-mouthed. That cannot be said for others. So, I would say he holds the higher (relatively speaking) moral ground.

His legal right to hold those beliefs has not been questioned by anyone. There is also the right of everyone else to express their opinions about that person and those beliefs.

So you would say that racism, sexism, homophobia etc are less morally repugnant than swearing? Seriously?
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Re: Coalition For Marriage : Wed May 23, 2012 6:01 am  
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What about the OPs right to legally follow his religious beliefs? As I said, whether or not you agree with his views he has not been foul-mouthed. That cannot be said for others. So, I would say he holds the higher (relatively speaking) moral ground.

Yes, you would. It's no surprise to learn that a known bigot would say that another bigot has the moral high ground.
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Re: Coalition For Marriage : Wed May 23, 2012 7:13 am  
How has this got to 75 pages :lol:
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Re: Coalition For Marriage : Wed May 23, 2012 7:40 am  
There's another 28-page thread over at Southstander.
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Re: Coalition For Marriage : Wed May 23, 2012 7:59 am  
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His legal right to hold those beliefs has not been questioned by anyone. There is also the right of everyone else to express their opinions about that person and those beliefs.

So you would say that racism, sexism, homophobia etc are less morally repugnant than swearing? Seriously?


Well we know he holds homophobic views himself ...
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Re: Coalition For Marriage : Wed May 23, 2012 9:51 am  
Dally wrote:
What about the OPs right to legally follow his religious beliefs? As I said, whether or not you agree with his views he has not been foul-mouthed. That cannot be said for others. So, I would say he holds the higher (relatively speaking) moral ground.


As you hold the Bible to be the sole authority on morality, where does it say that we can't use vulgar expletives?
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Re: Coalition For Marriage : Wed May 23, 2012 10:31 am  
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How has this got to 75 pages :lol:


Perhaps because with the exception of one or two bigots, the majority of posters seem (rightly imo) to be vehement in their opposition to homophobia, and are unprepared to allow others to spout their prejudice unchallenged.
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