Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sun Nov 06, 2016 11:11 am  

Cronus wrote:

Don't worry, he's not known for his intelligence.

In fact, anyone supporting open borders & freedom of movement across 28 countries with such massively uneven economies should give their head a wobble. It was always a moronic concept.

And anyone who has actually listened to the leaders of the EU Commission and still wants us in the disaster called the EU wants shooting.

The free trade is excellent, free movement, whilst of at the outset of the EU, is clearly not sustainable and had to be dealt with.
Is extracting our country the right way forward ?
In the short-medium term, we have voted for a period of economic instability and for any business, this is never a good thing, which ultimately will mean a further squeeze on welfare spending, again.
Unraveling 40 years of "closer union" was never going to be a simple process, with the Bexitiers all wanting different things.
At least with debate in parliament there should be some indication as to what we actually want from the process but, we still appear to have isolated our country from the rest of the world and in a time of economic and political uncertainty, this is akin to an own goal.

I have yet to hear anything apart from political hot air and rhetoric that will be truly positive for the future of the UK.
Scotland will vote again on leaving the UK, the situation in Ireland (between north and south) is an utter mess and Wales just doesnt have sufficient muscle to do anything, other than tag along for the ride.

So, taking aside the free movement aspect, where do you see the benefit for the UK.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:45 pm  

It's all come down to immigration again hasn't it of which a huge portion of, we have had control of anyway. If you think leaving the EU is going to stop immigration you are deluded

Regards

King James

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:52 pm  

Lebron James wrote:

It's all come down to immigration again hasn't it of which a huge portion of, we have had control of anyway. If you think leaving the EU is going to stop immigration you are deluded

Regards

King James

What population do you suggest we can sustain ?

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sun Nov 06, 2016 9:43 pm  

Cronus wrote:

Don't worry, he's not known for his intelligence.

In fact, anyone supporting open borders & freedom of movement across 28 countries with such massively uneven economies should give their head a wobble. It was always a moronic concept.

And anyone who has actually listened to the leaders of the EU Commission and still wants us in the disaster called the EU wants shooting.

You are Mr Mair & I claim my £5.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Sun Nov 06, 2016 9:54 pm  

What "constitution" do we have in this country?
Where is it WRITTEN?
To whom is the executive answerable to?
Is the Department of Justice the one that controls the courts, and also part of the executive?

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Mon Nov 07, 2016 6:23 am  

Lebron James wrote:

If you think leaving the EU is going to stop immigration you are deluded

Regards

King James

Most sane people don't want to stop immigration you wally. And that means the majority of the 17 million you branded as racists. It clearly needs to be controlled though which it very clearly isn't being right now. There is far more to wanting to leave the EU than just immigration anyway that i'm personally sick and tired of going into at this point, the whole Brexit thing it's getting very tiresome.

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Mon Nov 07, 2016 6:06 pm  

walkers crisps gone up 5p ! bugger

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Mon Nov 07, 2016 7:59 pm  

GUBRATS wrote:

What population do you suggest we can sustain ?

I don't know? Why don't you tell me? It's irrelevant anyway. Immigration is driven by economic growth and labour demand not population control. Switzerland aren't in the EU and look at their net immigration.

Tldr: leaving the EU will have little or no impact on immigration

Regards

King James

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:13 pm  

Lebron James wrote:

I don't know? Why don't you tell me? It's irrelevant anyway. Immigration is driven by economic growth and labour demand not population control. Switzerland aren't in the EU and look at their net immigration.

Tldr: leaving the EU will have little or no impact on immigration

Regards

King James

Quite simply without control of your borders you have no control of your population , therefore it is impossible to have control of the services you need to provide

I couldn't care what Switzerland do or don't do , they are irrelevant

Re: Brexit Anyone? : Tue Nov 08, 2016 9:06 am  

GUBRATS wrote:

Quite simply without control of your borders you have no control of your population , therefore it is impossible to have control of the services you need to provide

Is the burden on our services (NHS, Education, housing etc) caused by EU immigration or by austerity measures implemented over the past few years, or maybe a bit of both?

As LebronJames said, leaving the EU will have little or no impact on immigration. This is because, as he says, immigration will be determined by economic forces. The Australia 'points system' is a prime example. They actually have a higher rate of immigration than us.