Re: PS, Xbox, Wii, PC and other Gaming #10 : Tue May 21, 2013 10:11 pm  

Very underwhelming.

Re: PS, Xbox, Wii, PC and other Gaming #10 : Tue May 21, 2013 10:37 pm  

Having looked at it closer, it's a very classy design. The thing is apparently silent in operation, which is an enormous improvement over the helicopter like running of the 360.

The reveal did focus on entertainment, but so it should. Xbox Live is an incredible facility and people now spend more time doing stuff other than games than they do playing games. Whenever I go on, everyone is watching TV, films etc. People go on about it not being free, but I'd pay double for Live, it's that good. 15,000 servers for 360 becomes 300,000 servers. Butter smooth.

The TV integration looks utterly fabulous. If they get Sky on board with that, I'd buy it just for that. And they will.

The instant switching and launching is great. Being able to go straight back into your game might sound like a minor thing, but in reality it'll be such a good experience that you'll soon wonder how we ever waited those two or thee minutes to fire up the console, log in, launch the game and get through all the splash screens and menus.

The controller looks like a masterpiece. It's just beautiful. Digital clicky button switches like the expensive tournament controllers, fantastic sticks and a beautiful fit in the hand (As it's based on the 360 controller which is great) and force feedback in the triggers. IN THE TRIGGERS!

The reveal shows all the good ideas Sony came up with, like the sharing features are already on Live. I don't think the status quo of Live>PSN is going to change any time soon. E3 is going to be good this year for once, plenty to see there.

The only worry I have is the price. That level of depth at launch has got to be expensive, especially with Kinnect no longer an optional extra? Are we looking at £500+?

Re: PS, Xbox, Wii, PC and other Gaming #10 : Tue May 21, 2013 10:50 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

Having looked at it closer, it's a very classy design. The thing is apparently silent in operation, which is an enormous improvement over the helicopter like running of the 360.

The reveal did focus on entertainment, but so it should. Xbox Live is an incredible facility and people now spend more time doing stuff other than games than they do playing games. Whenever I go on, everyone is watching TV, films etc. People go on about it not being free, but I'd pay double for Live, it's that good. 15,000 servers for 360 becomes 300,000 servers. Butter smooth.

The TV integration looks utterly fabulous. If they get Sky on board with that, I'd buy it just for that. And they will.

The instant switching and launching is great. Being able to go straight back into your game might sound like a minor thing, but in reality it'll be such a good experience that you'll soon wonder how we ever waited those two or thee minutes to fire up the console, log in, launch the game and get through all the splash screens and menus.

The controller looks like a masterpiece. It's just beautiful. Digital clicky button switches like the expensive tournament controllers, fantastic sticks and a beautiful fit in the hand (As it's based on the 360 controller which is great) and force feedback in the triggers. IN THE TRIGGERS!

The reveal shows all the good ideas Sony came up with, like the sharing features are already on Live. I don't think the status quo of Live>PSN is going to change any time soon. E3 is going to be good this year for once, plenty to see there.

The only worry I have is the price. That level of depth at launch has got to be expensive, especially with Kinnect no longer an optional extra? Are we looking at £500+?

what is force feedback?

Re: PS, Xbox, Wii, PC and other Gaming #10 : Wed May 22, 2013 12:17 am  

dany1979 wrote:

what is force feedback?

The Jedi complaints department.

Another interesting claim revealed in the reveal today was that Kinnect can read your pulse. Now just how can it do that? Are we talking creepy airport scanner tech here or can it see your pulse moving in your skin movement?

Re: PS, Xbox, Wii, PC and other Gaming #10 : Wed May 22, 2013 10:54 am  

The PS4 seems to be a better gaming console. I don't use kinect and I use all the other multimedia features on the Xbox one on my PC or phone so for me the PS4 is the more appealing at this point. A comparison of the specs is below: http://www.thegameeffect.com/news/hardware-matchup-ps4-vs-xbox-one

The PS4 seems to be a better gaming console. I don't use kinect and I use all the other multimedia features on the Xbox one on my PC or phone so for me the PS4 is the more appealing at this point. A comparison of the specs is below: http://www.thegameeffect.com/news/hardware-matchup-ps4-vs-xbox-one

Re: PS, Xbox, Wii, PC and other Gaming #10 : Wed May 22, 2013 3:27 pm  

Charlie Sheen wrote: The PS4 seems to be a better gaming console. I don't use kinect and I use all the other multimedia features on the Xbox one on my PC or phone so for me the PS4 is the more appealing at this point. A comparison of the specs is below: http://www.thegameeffect.com/news/hardware-matchup-ps4-vs-xbox-one What makes you think that the PS4 is a better gaming console? The reveals gave very little of that side of things away. Gaming these days is all about multi-player and Live will no doubt once again make PSN look like a child's toy made by Leapfrog. MS are investing an enormous amount in this again this time. The technical specs are pretty irrelevant in this one I think. They are so closely matched that it's just not an issue. There was a far bigger technical shortfall in this generation and can you honestly tell the difference between the 360 and PS3? What is far more important is how easy it is for cost-conscious developers to code on the systems. MS had Sony well and truly beaten in this regard in this generation by all accounts, but I have no idea about the new ones. I thought both reveals were very conservative. Neither really gave much away, but what they did show looked pretty well executed (Social aspects of PSN and the sharing button for Sony and the multimedia aspects of Xbox). MS didn't really touch much on the gaming side of things at all, certainly none of the social side of Live, which indicates that it's either aware it's got ground to make up or it just doesn't want to give it away. I don't think there was anything from either side to make the fanboys (Which is what almost all of us on here are to varying degrees if we're honest about it) jump ship. E3 is going to be interesting and will show off the gaming side of both consoles more clearly. Price and who is out first will also be important. I can see Sony getting the PS4 out first (Learning lessons from last time) and also being cheaper. They don't have the hardware burden of Kinnect, so should really be £100 cheaper unless MS uses it's might to subsidise it to match Sony.

Charlie Sheen wrote: The PS4 seems to be a better gaming console. I don't use kinect and I use all the other multimedia features on the Xbox one on my PC or phone so for me the PS4 is the more appealing at this point. A comparison of the specs is below: http://www.thegameeffect.com/news/hardware-matchup-ps4-vs-xbox-one What makes you think that the PS4 is a better gaming console? The reveals gave very little of that side of things away. Gaming these days is all about multi-player and Live will no doubt once again make PSN look like a child's toy made by Leapfrog. MS are investing an enormous amount in this again this time. The technical specs are pretty irrelevant in this one I think. They are so closely matched that it's just not an issue. There was a far bigger technical shortfall in this generation and can you honestly tell the difference between the 360 and PS3? What is far more important is how easy it is for cost-conscious developers to code on the systems. MS had Sony well and truly beaten in this regard in this generation by all accounts, but I have no idea about the new ones. I thought both reveals were very conservative. Neither really gave much away, but what they did show looked pretty well executed (Social aspects of PSN and the sharing button for Sony and the multimedia aspects of Xbox). MS didn't really touch much on the gaming side of things at all, certainly none of the social side of Live, which indicates that it's either aware it's got ground to make up or it just doesn't want to give it away. I don't think there was anything from either side to make the fanboys (Which is what almost all of us on here are to varying degrees if we're honest about it) jump ship. E3 is going to be interesting and will show off the gaming side of both consoles more clearly. Price and who is out first will also be important. I can see Sony getting the PS4 out first (Learning lessons from last time) and also being cheaper. They don't have the hardware burden of Kinnect, so should really be £100 cheaper unless MS uses it's might to subsidise it to match Sony.

Re: PS, Xbox, Wii, PC and other Gaming #10 : Wed May 22, 2013 6:46 pm  

They both look crap. Get your heads out of the ground and question why the need for a new console without much development.

Look at the step up from PS1 to PS2, then PS2 to 360/PS3. The development was huge but it's like gaming has hit a brick wall. I went to a conference a few weeks back where Sony were unveiling some of their PS4 games. I nearly fell asleep, the only bit I enjoyed was the free LBP keyring at the end. The games were mind numbingly repetitive; why does every single game involve a gun these days? Why are they always about blasting your way through from start to finish? I seen Infamous: Second Son, Knack (which looked OK compared to the rest) and a game that was some man with a girl following him, again, it looked crap. The only thing I would buy a new console for is the sports games; however, they haven't developed over the past four/five years and don't look like changing either. I think these will be a huge flop, phones and tablets are taking over and the likes of Sony should be developing a ridiculously powered gaming tablet, rather than a ridiculously powered console.

Re: PS, Xbox, Wii, PC and other Gaming #10 : Wed May 22, 2013 8:26 pm  

Double post

Re: PS, Xbox, Wii, PC and other Gaming #10 : Wed May 22, 2013 8:26 pm  

As I understand it the PS4 is the better console from a developers point of view, which wasn't the case this gen. Sony have consulted developers of at all levels so they say) to try and make the PS4 better for the developers, inparticular indie developers. Apparantly, indie developers won't be able to self publish on the new Xbox.
Obviously we'll get to know more at E3 but looking at the opinons of some respected people in the games industry they seem to prefer the PS4 at this point.
Interstingly Sony's share price went up after the Xbox one reveal.

Re: PS, Xbox, Wii, PC and other Gaming #10 : Wed May 22, 2013 8:36 pm  

I will reserve judgement on both consoles at this stage and probably buy the one that doesn't blow up in the first few weeks.

However having seen both presentations I think its quite sad that people are not really talking about what matters, the games.

Another Call Of Duty game is nice but hardly anything new and if I am going to pay £400 plus for a machine then I want it to do something interesting and new and I have no interest in sharing my achievements on the net although that must be great if your 15.

Hopefully Sony bring out 'The Last Guardian' at E3.