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Re: Coalition For Marriage : Wed May 23, 2012 1:27 pm  
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Sickening. You are a terrible person.


Get over yourself.
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Re: Coalition For Marriage : Wed May 23, 2012 1:37 pm  
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Rock God X wrote:
Sickening. You are a terrible person.


Get over yourself.

Well done. Now, would you care to address any of the points that have been raised, or are you just going to keep restating your disgusting views ad infinitum?
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Re: Coalition For Marriage : Wed May 23, 2012 1:42 pm  
Is this the same Dally who, along with his son, thinks that religion is essential – well, not for them, of course, but to keep the nasty plebs in line?
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Re: Coalition For Marriage : Wed May 23, 2012 1:43 pm  
Apparently it's ok in Dallys world to post insulting views and points but not ok to post insults. How strange. I wonder if Dally's brain has gone "off-site" too.
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Re: Coalition For Marriage : Wed May 23, 2012 1:49 pm  
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Apparently it's ok in Dallys world to post insulting views and points but not ok to post insults. How strange. I wonder if Dally's brain has gone "off-site" too.

:lol:

It's gone off-line, at the very least.
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Re: Coalition For Marriage : Wed May 23, 2012 2:18 pm  
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The point I am trying to make is that the OP expressed his beliefs. Others then insulted them.


Others have actually critisized those beliefs, some when it became apparent that the OP was unwilling to engage in rational discourse did use insults however many people have attempted to engage kirkstaller in debate.

I for instance have responded to several of the cliaims that Kirkstaller has made yet the only responses I had from the OP were to dismiss the site which showed that the organisers of his petition were being less than honest and to bring up and irrelevant point when I questioned his use of Kirk Cameron as an authority on christianity.

o, as both sides see the world in diammetrically opposed ways then perhaps the way to look at things is what is the natural way before complex, arbitrary and fleeting concepts such as "rights" came into being? That being the case, the OP's views clearly have more validity at least on the subject of homosexuality.


The OP's views have absolutely zero validity the entire basis of the OP's argument is "the religious doctrine that I have uncritically accepted says so". Myself and others on the hand prefer to base our viewpoints on reason rather than rely on religious dogma as the OP does.

There is also nothing in nature to backup the viewpoint that homosexuality is wrong and in fact as you probably are aware of homosexuality is shown to occur in nature. You are however in your argument committing the logical fallacy known as the naturalistic fallacy.
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Re: Coalition For Marriage : Wed May 23, 2012 2:28 pm  
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Others have actually critisized those beliefs, some when it became apparent that the OP was unwilling to engage in rational discourse did use insults however many people have attempted to engage kirkstaller in debate.

I for instance have responded to several of the cliaims that Kirkstaller has made yet the only responses I had from the OP were to dismiss the site which showed that the organisers of his petition were being less than honest and to bring up and irrelevant point when I questioned his use of Kirk Cameron as an authority on christianity.

The OP's views have absolutely zero validity the entire basis of the OP's argument is "the religious doctrine that I have uncritically accepted says so". Myself and others on the hand prefer to base our viewpoints on reason rather than rely on religious dogma as the OP does.

There is also nothing in nature to backup the viewpoint that homosexuality is wrong and in fact as you probably are aware of homosexuality is shown to occur in nature. You are however in your argument committing the logical fallacy known as the naturalistic fallacy.


But that's the whole point of belief (in religion or anything)! It's a belief, a tenet, a basis. Why should the OP rationally or otherwise debate it? It's his firm belief.
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Re: Coalition For Marriage : Wed May 23, 2012 2:36 pm  
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But that's the whole point of belief (in religion or anything)! It's a belief, a tenet, a basis. Why should the OP rationally or otherwise debate it? It's his firm belief.


You seem to have missed the point of this entire thread seemingly because, as you have stated, you can't be bothered to read it so I'll help you here.

No-one cares what Kirkstaller believes in and would be quite happy to let him have his beliefs as is his right (rights which you think are a new-fangled thing although some rights have come from that advanced country you mentioned earlier - contrary anyone?). What they don't appreciate is those beliefs being foisted upon them. The OP didn't want debate as he stated himself, he wanted to further his cause and garner support for his religion based opinion and people, quite rightly have given him their opinion on the matter. This is a debate on the topic of same-sex marriage and this particular demographic shows that people on RLFans are a very tolerant bunch who will stand together against discrimination regardless of the motivation.
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Re: Coalition For Marriage : Wed May 23, 2012 2:39 pm  
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But that's the whole point of belief (in religion or anything)! It's a belief, a tenet, a basis. Why should the OP rationally or otherwise debate it? It's his firm belief.


If he and other religious fundamentalists have no intention of defending their beliefs rationally then why the F*** should he and others expect to be able to force their beliefs onto those who do not share such a belief when it comes to marriage and gay rights in general?

He hasn't merely stated that gay marriage and homosexuality are wrong but also campaigns (and began this thread as part of this campaign) to prevent gay people from being allowed to get married. If he wants to impose his beliefs onto others he needs to do far better than merely state that his particular interpretation of religious scripture says so.
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Re: Coalition For Marriage : Wed May 23, 2012 2:40 pm  
Dally wrote:
But that's the whole point of belief (in religion or anything)! It's a belief, a tenet, a basis. Why should the OP rationally or otherwise debate it? It's his firm belief.

So, because it's not rooted in or based upon any kind of rationality, therefore it's not necessary to defend it in debate.
OK, got it.
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