Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:34 pm  

So, between the babble from the IG on Marr this morning, they don't currently have any confirmed policies, but they will base their policies on empirical data and evidence, as opposed to ideology.

Great idea, so that means we'll see a higher minimum wage, higher top tax rates, inheritance taxes, decriminalisation of drugs, a much quicker shift to renewable energy, public investment in infrastructure, proportional representation, non renewal of trident, remaining in the EU, and an overhaul of our education system, and cheaper higher education.

Most of which was in the labour manifesto anyway.

If the IG had policies that would set out to achieve some of those things, I'd consider voting for them, but I think we'll just end up with a set of policies Blair and Cameron would've come up with.

[Mild Rover]

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:26 pm  

Charlie Sheen wrote:

So, between the babble from the IG on Marr this morning, they don't currently have any confirmed policies, but they will base their policies on empirical data and evidence, as opposed to ideology.

Great idea, so that means we'll see a higher minimum wage, higher top tax rates, inheritance taxes, decriminalisation of drugs, a much quicker shift to renewable energy, public investment in infrastructure, proportional representation, non renewal of trident, remaining in the EU, and an overhaul of our education system, and cheaper higher education.

Most of which was in the labour manifesto anyway.

If the IG had policies that would set out to achieve some of those things, I'd consider voting for them, but I think we'll just end up with a set of policies Blair and Cameron would've come up with.

I think there’s a case for evidence based politics in deciding how best to reach desired goals. However, you still need to have priorities and state your goals to have coherent political narrative. We all want what’s best, but that means different things to different people.

If the IG is to have a voice it needs a top-level message.

The conservatives highlight ‘opportunity’, labour talk about ‘the many’. In fairness, the Lib Dem’s website just talks generically about ‘better’ on its front page.

For now it is just a grouping. Whether it can become a party with a leader, and a manifesto is hard to say at the moment.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Sun Feb 24, 2019 2:33 pm  

So, May denies running down the clock, but once again delays the vote! #omnishambles

So, May denies running down the clock, but once again delays the vote! #omnishambles

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Sun Feb 24, 2019 3:08 pm  

Charlie Sheen wrote:

So, between the babble from the IG on Marr this morning, they don't currently have any confirmed policies, but they will base their policies on empirical data and evidence, as opposed to ideology.

Great idea, so that means we'll see a higher minimum wage, higher top tax rates, inheritance taxes, decriminalisation of drugs, a much quicker shift to renewable energy, public investment in infrastructure, proportional representation, non renewal of trident, remaining in the EU, and an overhaul of our education system, and cheaper higher education.

Most of which was in the labour manifesto anyway.

If the IG had policies that would set out to achieve some of those things, I'd consider voting for them, but I think we'll just end up with a set of policies Blair and Cameron would've come up with.

I'm not sure just how much the IG will grow but, I think they are keeping their "gun powder" dry until they know exactly how strong their group is going to be.
It's a little too soon to be trying to pin them down.
Hell, Corbyn has had over 3 years as Labour leader and nobody yet knows his stance on Europe, he's been rather reticent in committing himself or his party in either direction.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Sun Feb 24, 2019 3:55 pm  

The labour position on Brexit is pretty clear in their manifesto, isn't it? To hounor the referendum result, remain in the customs union, maintain ties to the single market, protect workers rights, maintain a soft Irish border, and to take all steps to avoid a no deal. All positions which the EU seem to think are workable.

They also appear to be moving towards backing a 2nd referendum, if MPs don't back May's deal.

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Sun Feb 24, 2019 4:02 pm  

Charlie Sheen wrote:

The labour position on Brexit is pretty clear in their manifesto, isn't it? To hounor the referendum result, remain in the customs union, maintain ties to the single market, protect workers rights, maintain a soft Irish border, and to take all steps to avoid a no deal. All positions which the EU seem to think are workable.

They also appear to be moving towards backing a 2nd referendum, if MPs don't back May's deal.

And dont forget the 6 (impossible) tests, which allows them to vote against any and every deal !

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Sun Feb 24, 2019 4:38 pm  

Charlie Sheen wrote:

The labour position on Brexit is pretty clear in their manifesto, isn't it? To hounor the referendum result, remain in the customs union, maintain ties to the single market, protect workers rights, maintain a soft Irish border, and to take all steps to avoid a no deal. All positions which the EU seem to think are workable.

They also appear to be moving towards backing a 2nd referendum, if MPs don't back May's deal.

How can you remain in the customs union/single market and leave?

You can maintain a soft Irish border if you remain in the union?

No wonder the EU think its workable

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Mon Feb 25, 2019 3:04 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

How can you remain in the customs union/single market and leave?

You can maintain a soft Irish border if you remain in the union?

No wonder the EU think its workable

In fairness, I think that Corbyn was talking about "A" customs union, a bespoke arrangement, I think.
IF this were possible AND we could still negotiate bespoke trade deals, that would be ok but, at the moment it's pure conjecture.
It's quite increddible that the Tories, allegedly the party for business can allow the UK ecconomy to drift along without any guidance and whether May is deliberately winding the clock down in some political game of "who blinks first" or being shrewd with her negotiating (there's more chance of knitting fog), I dont know but how the hell is any business supposed to plan their buying/ selling strategy on if's and but's.
The whole country is having to make decisions with their eyes half closed, it isn't helping one iota.

[Bullseye]

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Mon Feb 25, 2019 4:01 pm  

As Boris said "F*** business!"

Re: Brexit Anyone ? (part 3) : Mon Feb 25, 2019 4:06 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

As Boris said "F*** business!"

Yes, he, along with many others has more faces than the town hall clock and it depends who he is talking to as to which mouth speaks.