Re: Religion's influence in the UK : Fri Apr 27, 2012 12:52 pm  

TBF as I read it (and it is confusing) his beef seems to be with being in effect called a liar, he says he denied attending any such ceremony and that he denied it to Khan, they insist he never did and that it's all on tape. Also Khan says someone who was at the ceremony told her about it. So the libel issue is, is he lying that there never was such a ceremony? (Probably.)

Re: Religion's influence in the UK : Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:28 am  

Cibaman wrote:

I thought that, bar a few, they're generally ok with people not believing in Islam or becoming a Muslim. Its becoming a Muslim and then abandoning the faith that's the real no no?.

yeah their really peaceful.

Apostasy covers everything from leaving the 'faith' to denying the existence of God.

Re: Religion's influence in the UK : Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:48 am  

Thanks to Minty for the link Pope's representative calls for an alliance of churches to oppose gay marriage The sooner we distance the legislature from this bunch of nutters, the better.

Thanks to Minty for the link Pope's representative calls for an alliance of churches to oppose gay marriage The sooner we distance the legislature from this bunch of nutters, the better.

Re: Religion's influence in the UK : Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:54 am  

Sheldon wrote:

:lol: yeah their really peaceful.

Apostasy covers everything from leaving the 'faith' to denying the existence of God.

The majority are, yes.

Just as it's not a majority of Christians (or even fundamentalist Christians) who have taen to harassing staff and patients at clinics that carry out abortions in the UK.

One of the questions, though, is about what seems to be a rise in fundamentalism, across religious groups, in recent years.

Re: Religion's influence in the UK : Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:10 pm  

Mintball wrote:

The majority are, yes.

Just as it's not a majority of Christians (or even fundamentalist Christians) who have taen to harassing staff and patients at clinics that carry out abortions in the UK.

One of the questions, though, is about what seems to be a rise in fundamentalism, across religious groups, in recent years.

This is what I don't understand, how can you be peaceful and follow these scrips?

How can a religion that demands pain and suffering ,weather in this life or the next, be peaceful?

The rise is actions against each others rise, they both have prophecies.

Re: Religion's influence in the UK : Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:36 pm  

Sheldon wrote:

This is what I don't understand, how can you be peaceful and follow these scrips?

How can a religion that demands pain and suffering ,weather in this life or the next, be peaceful?

The rise is actions against each others rise, they both have prophecies.

Well that covers all the 'big three' Abrahamic religions, then.

The Old Testament, which Judaism, Christianity and Islam all accept, is full of violence and calls to violence.

It's always a question of interpretation – but the more fundamentalist the believer, the more they will pick bits and pieces of the really unpleasant stuff to claim is true. So you'll have people using 'an eye for an eye' as a justification for capital punishment, for instance.

All religious people play pick and mix with their holy texts.

Re: Religion's influence in the UK : Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:59 pm  

Mintball wrote:

Well that covers all the 'big three' Abrahamic religions, then.

The Old Testament, which Judaism, Christianity and Islam all accept, is full of violence and calls to violence.

Aye, even though Jesus' mwords are all about peace and love and never encouraged any smiting.
That's what I don't "get" about Christianity, it accepts stuff that Jesus reportedly spoke out against (e.g. "Love thine enemy" and the Good Samaritan).

Mintball wrote:

...All religious people play pick and mix with their holy texts.

Christians ..."An eye for an eye" when it suits them one way and "Turn the other cheek" when it suits them another way.