Re: Should Iain Duncan Smiths expenses be capped at £26k a y : Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:11 pm  

SomersetSaint wrote:

The argument was that we pay benefits because they support the children, you appear to have accepted my argument that in actual fact they probably don't. I would argue that to bring a child up well can cost very little, it takes more thought than to simply dress them from head to toe in the latest designer gear, or to sit them in front of a 50" LCD tv, or hook them up to a play station whilst they eat their regular evening big mac.

Do you honestly believe that a first child can be provided for on £20 a week?

Should they crawl around naked? What about things like nappies, formula, clothing, prams, cots & bedding? Does that just fall out of the sky?

And you still haven't explained why a rich person should receive child benefit but you reckon poor ones should not

Re: Should Iain Duncan Smiths expenses be capped at £26k a y : Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:20 pm  

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/83595 ... 10848.html The cost of raising a child to their 21st birthday is estimated at £210,848 or £10,040 a year, £836 a month or £27.50 a day. So unless you are getting more than that in child benefit you are running a net loss for every child.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/83595 ... 10848.html The cost of raising a child to their 21st birthday is estimated at £210,848 or £10,040 a year, £836 a month or £27.50 a day. So unless you are getting more than that in child benefit you are running a net loss for every child.

Re: Should Iain Duncan Smiths expenses be capped at £26k a y : Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:28 pm  

SomersetSaint wrote:

I would argue that to bring a child up well can cost very little,

Would that that were the case.

Re: Should Iain Duncan Smiths expenses be capped at £26k a y : Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:30 pm  

SomersetSaint wrote:

The argument was that we pay benefits because they support the children, you appear to have accepted my argument that in actual fact they probably don't. I would argue that to bring a child up well can cost very little, it takes more thought than to simply dress them from head to toe in the latest designer gear, or to sit them in front of a 50" LCD tv, or hook them up to a play station whilst they eat their regular evening big mac.

Bring up 3 kids (not privately educated, etc) has probably cost us between £1.2 M and £1.5 M at today's prices.

Re: Should Iain Duncan Smiths expenses be capped at £26k a y : Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:30 pm  

SomersetSaint wrote:

... I would argue that to bring a child up well can cost very little...

Go ahead.
As Prince Charles said, "I'm all ears".

Re: Should Iain Duncan Smiths expenses be capped at £26k a y : Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:23 pm  

sally cinnamon wrote:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/8359516/Parenting-pressures-cost-of-raising-a-child-now-210848.html

The cost of raising a child to their 21st birthday is estimated at £210,848 or £10,040 a year, £836 a month or £27.50 a day.

So unless you are getting more than that in child benefit you are running a net loss for every child.

I have 3 kids and trust me I earn nowhere near your mythical £2500 a month let alone spend it on them, yet they are happy, well educated and well loved.

Re: Should Iain Duncan Smiths expenses be capped at £26k a y : Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:48 pm  

SomersetSaint wrote:

I have 3 kids and trust me I earn nowhere near your mythical £2500 a month let alone spend it on them, yet they are happy, well educated and well loved.

Are you including the £200 per month child benefit in your calculations?

Re: Should Iain Duncan Smiths expenses be capped at £26k a y : Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:53 pm  

Dally wrote:

Bring up 3 kids (not privately educated, etc) has probably cost us between £1.2 M and £1.5 M at today's prices.

Judging by what you and your offspring have posted here I would say you have had a pisspoor return on investment.

Re: Should Iain Duncan Smiths expenses be capped at £26k a y : Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:01 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

Are you including the £200 per month child benefit in your calculations?

Yes. £2500 a month on 3 kids is way out of my league.

Re: Should Iain Duncan Smiths expenses be capped at £26k a y : Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:13 pm  

SomersetSaint wrote:

Yes. £2500 a month on 3 kids is way out of my league.

Yet you would want to see someone else with three kids be denied that £200 per month?