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Re: NHS - RIP 1 April 2013 : Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:40 pm  
samwire wrote:
just google uk election 2010. then look at the breakdown of votes.


:lol:
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Re: NHS - RIP 1 April 2013 : Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:53 pm  
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Well for a start, you're using the total votes cast for the three main parties as an indicator of the support enjoyed by the two parties forming this coalition government. Granted that could be a numeracy issue rather than a fundamental misunderstanding of democracy.

Then you've quoted a few snippets from individual party manifestos and conflated these with the policies of a coalition government.

You've also failed to notice significant differences between the manifesto statements and the policies actually implemented.

Lastly you've made the rookie assumption that people who vote for a particular party support every single item in their manifesto. And ignored the fact that in our particular version of democracy you vote for an MP rather than a party and this can have a significant effect on party support.

That's just off the top of my head.


You said 'nobody' voted for these policies. Source?
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Re: NHS - RIP 1 April 2013 : Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:14 pm  
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You said 'nobody' voted for these policies. Source?


People here have tried explaining how polls work several times, is there any point doing so again?
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Re: NHS - RIP 1 April 2013 : Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:29 pm  
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Well for a start, you're using the total votes cast for the three main parties as an indicator of the support enjoyed by the two parties forming this coalition government. Granted that could be a numeracy issue rather than a fundamental misunderstanding of democracy.

no, i'm not.
Then you've quoted a few snippets from individual party manifestos and conflated these with the policies of a coalition government.
the quote below is from the coalition agreement. so, we've got the 3 main parties manifestos promising more nhs privatisation and even the coalition agreement promising the same.
We will strengthen the power of GPs as patients’ expert guides through the health system by enabling them to commission care on their behalf. We will give every patient the power to choose any healthcare provider that meets NHS standards, within NHS prices. This includes independent, voluntary and community sector providers

You've also failed to notice significant differences between the manifesto statements and the policies actually implemented.
manifesto pledge, more nhs privatisation, policy implemented more nhs privatisation. perhaps you can point out these significant differences.
Lastly you've made the rookie assumption that people who vote for a particular party support every single item in their manifesto. And ignored the fact that in our particular version of democracy you vote for an MP rather than a party and this can have a significant effect on party support.
oh no, that's ludicrous, for that to happen people would actually have to read each parties manifesto, then they'd find out things like, oh i don't know, that the party they hate with a vengeance because it is hell bent on more privatisation of the nhs whereas the party they love and who they'll give their vote to is also hell bent on more privatisation of the nhs.

now, all the people up in arms could have voted for the "no nhs privatisation" party or similar, and in that instance they should applauded for having the guts to stand up for what they believe in. but i suspect that the majority who are bleating voted for a party that promised more privatisation. which is odd, as they've got exactly what they wanted.
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Re: NHS - RIP 1 April 2013 : Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:31 pm  
Big Graeme wrote:
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i know. it was that easy.
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Re: NHS - RIP 1 April 2013 : Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:41 pm  
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we've got the 3 main parties manifestos promising more nhs privatisation
more nhs privatisation,
policy implemented more nhs privatisation.
more privatisation of the nhs
more privatisation of the nhs.
more privatisation. which is odd, as they've got exactly what they wanted.


Are you still labouring under the belief that an NHS Foundation Trust is a private company providing NHS services ?
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Re: NHS - RIP 1 April 2013 : Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:16 pm  
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Are you still labouring under the belief that an NHS Foundation Trust is a private company providing NHS services ?

i was never labouring under anything.
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Re: NHS - RIP 1 April 2013 : Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:13 pm  
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i know. it was that easy.


I prefer the word simple...
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Re: NHS - RIP 1 April 2013 : Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:49 am  
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*some guff completely missing the point*

I give up. Your fundamental misunderstanding of the democratic process is beyond my ability to fix.
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Re: NHS - RIP 1 April 2013 : Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:10 am  
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I give up. Your fundamental misunderstanding of the democratic process is beyond my ability to fix.


if this was about the democratic process, you may have a point. but it's not.
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