Re: Medical training turns you into a "vile" monster : Fri Apr 05, 2013 4:55 pm  

samwire wrote:

"peeps"? is that "the language"?
like i've told you, cats in hats, sweetheart.

Everyone who holds a different opinion to her is a 'troll'

Re: Medical training turns you into a "vile" monster : Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:00 pm  

samwire wrote:

still no mention of ed balls speeding. how very strange.

Absolutely disgusting. Speed kills. He should tender his resignation immediately, not that I except he will. Slippery customer that one.

Re: Medical training turns you into a "vile" monster : Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:25 pm  

out of interest, do the populace of the Sin Bin accept that Philpott was attempting to start the fire, rescue his kids, be seen as a hero and get them (and therefore, the associated benefits) back into his life?

Whilst I can agree that it wasn't the system that created him, it was his motivation to get the money back in his pocket, and that money was available because of the benefit system.

Why did he have 17 children by 14 different women (or whatever it is)?

Re: Medical training turns you into a "vile" monster : Fri Apr 05, 2013 6:49 pm  

Standee wrote: out of interest, do the populace of the Sin Bin accept that Philpott was attempting to start the fire, rescue his kids, be seen as a hero and get them (and therefore, the associated benefits) back into his life? Whilst I can agree that it wasn't the system that created him, it was his motivation to get the money back in his pocket, and that money was available because of the benefit system. Why did he have 17 children by 14 different women (or whatever it is)? You could very well be correct. However it doesn't make him typical of large families who happen to require state benefits during an period of unemployment, which is what a compliant media are trying to convince us of. The stats here show that just 200 families on benefits have ten or more children and of course those families are in for a shock when the £26k cap on benefits comes into play, in that respect Philpott killing his own children to try and get his money spinning other offspring back was in vain, he'd have been much worse off with more mouths to feed very shortly. If you read the rest of that article linked to (above) you might also notice with a bit of unease that the next target for abuse would appear to be large families, presumably we're done with single parent families, disabled, and people with too many bedrooms - this weeks target of derision are those with lots of kids. The Pope will no doubt be writing a strongly worded letter to Osborne any day now.

Standee wrote: out of interest, do the populace of the Sin Bin accept that Philpott was attempting to start the fire, rescue his kids, be seen as a hero and get them (and therefore, the associated benefits) back into his life? Whilst I can agree that it wasn't the system that created him, it was his motivation to get the money back in his pocket, and that money was available because of the benefit system. Why did he have 17 children by 14 different women (or whatever it is)? You could very well be correct. However it doesn't make him typical of large families who happen to require state benefits during an period of unemployment, which is what a compliant media are trying to convince us of. The stats here show that just 200 families on benefits have ten or more children and of course those families are in for a shock when the £26k cap on benefits comes into play, in that respect Philpott killing his own children to try and get his money spinning other offspring back was in vain, he'd have been much worse off with more mouths to feed very shortly. If you read the rest of that article linked to (above) you might also notice with a bit of unease that the next target for abuse would appear to be large families, presumably we're done with single parent families, disabled, and people with too many bedrooms - this weeks target of derision are those with lots of kids. The Pope will no doubt be writing a strongly worded letter to Osborne any day now.

Re: Medical training turns you into a "vile" monster : Fri Apr 05, 2013 6:55 pm  

JerryChicken wrote: You could very well be correct. However it doesn't make him typical of large families who happen to require state benefits during an period of unemployment, which is what a compliant media are trying to convince us of. The stats here show that just 200 families on benefits have ten or more children and of course those families are in for a shock when the £26k cap on benefits comes into play, in that respect Philpott killing his own children to try and get his money spinning other offspring back was in vain, he'd have been much worse off with more mouths to feed very shortly. If you read the rest of that article linked to (above) you might also notice with a bit of unease that the next target for abuse would appear to be large families, presumably we're done with single parent families, disabled, and people with too many bedrooms - this weeks target of derision are those with lots of kids. The Pope will no doubt be writing a strongly worded letter to Osborne any day now. You shouldn't get benefit for families above 2 kids, in fact, if one man or woman has multiple children by different partners then the state should stop funding them, if you can't afford them, don't have them.

JerryChicken wrote: You could very well be correct. However it doesn't make him typical of large families who happen to require state benefits during an period of unemployment, which is what a compliant media are trying to convince us of. The stats here show that just 200 families on benefits have ten or more children and of course those families are in for a shock when the £26k cap on benefits comes into play, in that respect Philpott killing his own children to try and get his money spinning other offspring back was in vain, he'd have been much worse off with more mouths to feed very shortly. If you read the rest of that article linked to (above) you might also notice with a bit of unease that the next target for abuse would appear to be large families, presumably we're done with single parent families, disabled, and people with too many bedrooms - this weeks target of derision are those with lots of kids. The Pope will no doubt be writing a strongly worded letter to Osborne any day now. You shouldn't get benefit for families above 2 kids, in fact, if one man or woman has multiple children by different partners then the state should stop funding them, if you can't afford them, don't have them.

Re: Medical training turns you into a "vile" monster : Fri Apr 05, 2013 6:58 pm  

Standee wrote:

out of interest, do the populace of the Sin Bin accept that Philpott was attempting to start the fire, rescue his kids, be seen as a hero and get them (and therefore, the associated benefits) back into his life?

Whilst I can agree that it wasn't the system that created him, it was his motivation to get the money back in his pocket, and that money was available because of the benefit system...

Yes, yes, yes –etc – and something else: revenge and control were also motivation.

And, factually, he has been a violent nice bloke since well before he was claiming benefits. He tried to kill his girlfriend when he was still in the Army. IMO, only an idiot would claim that that was somehow the fault of the armed services.

And again, as I touched on earlier, it's in the judge's summing up that his 'income' included the wages paid to various women for work.

And then again – does anyone really imagine that this man would have been a nice guy if he'd not been able to claim benefits?

It is no more or less bøllocks than to suggest that the only reason that Lucan killed was because he was a nob and that, therefore, the condition of being a nob makes you killer.






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Re: Medical training turns you into a "vile" monster : Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:03 pm  

Standee wrote: You shouldn't get benefit for families above 2 kids, in fact, if one man or woman has multiple children by different partners then the state should stop funding them, if you can't afford them, don't have them. An old idea but one that is being revived this week with news that Cameron is studying the American way of capping family based benefits and also limiting unemployment benefits to two years worth of claims. To most people it sounds fair or at least fair-ish but of course it doesn't account for those who are unlike the majority and simply cannot work, and there are some genuine cases, are we prepared to ostracise those and watch them starve in a skip in the street along with their ten children ?

Standee wrote: You shouldn't get benefit for families above 2 kids, in fact, if one man or woman has multiple children by different partners then the state should stop funding them, if you can't afford them, don't have them. An old idea but one that is being revived this week with news that Cameron is studying the American way of capping family based benefits and also limiting unemployment benefits to two years worth of claims. To most people it sounds fair or at least fair-ish but of course it doesn't account for those who are unlike the majority and simply cannot work, and there are some genuine cases, are we prepared to ostracise those and watch them starve in a skip in the street along with their ten children ?

Re: Medical training turns you into a "vile" monster : Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:05 pm  

Standee wrote:

You shouldn't get benefit for families above 2 kids ....

So, we have – what? – 2.5 million unemployed.

And if someone who has been entirely responsible in their life is thrown out of work, through no fault of their own, but has three children (imagine if it was triplets!), one of those won't be included in benefit.

Have you ever watched or read Sophie's Choice?

And honestly, look up Martine White and forget Philpott. The former will tell you far, far more about that this government is doing than the latter.

Re: Medical training turns you into a "vile" monster : Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:10 pm  

Mintball wrote:

So, we have – what? – 2.5 million unemployed.

And if someone who has been entirely responsible in their life is thrown out of work, through no fault of their own, but has three children (imagine if it was triplets!), one of those won't be included in benefit.

Have you ever watched or read Sophie's Choice?

And honestly, look up Martine White and forget Philpott. The former will tell you far, far more about that this government is doing than the latter.

I agree it's a difficult decision to make, but whilst people like "us" chose not to have children and people like Philpott breed prolifically we need some type of answer.

I know of fourth generation, yes FOURTH, council tenants where none have them have worked, ever. And all their kids "aspire" to is getting a Council house by breeding.

Philpott is a nasty monster who should have received 6 life sentences, on that I think we're all agreed.

[Kosh]

Re: Medical training turns you into a "vile" monster : Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:31 pm  

Standee wrote:

I agree it's a difficult decision to make, but whilst people like "us" chose not to have children and people like Philpott breed prolifically we need some type of answer.

We already have an answer. It's just not one that you like.

For the sake of 200 families you think it's worth penalising everyone else?

And what do you propose to do with all the children who no longer qualify for support through benefits? Workhouses? Deportation? Or just begging on the streets?