Re: Ed Miliband Conference Speech : Wed Oct 01, 2014 1:27 pm  

Dally wrote:

The tax take covers all sorts of things. Employers NI was just a convenient thing to hike up as a stealth tax to keep the headline income tax rate low. As the previous poster said, private insurance premiums would far outweigh the tax costs of the NHS if you could find comprehensive insurance cover. The only people a truly private medical insurance system would suit would be the mega-wealthy who could afford to pay for their medical care without resort to insurance. Oh, and the investors and executives in medical insurers.

The USA spends a lot more on healthcare than here despite enormous numbers of people having no decent care. A sick system.

The larger American companies are considered amongst the best in the world to work for - paying health premiums doesn't appear to impact their attractiveness to employees or business competitiveness.

If companies here had to pay health premiums then surely they would not have to pay as high employers NI?

[DaveO]

Re: Ed Miliband Conference Speech : Wed Oct 01, 2014 3:34 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

The larger American companies are considered amongst the best in the world to work for - paying health premiums doesn't appear to impact their attractiveness to employees or business competitiveness.

If companies here had to pay health premiums then surely they would not have to pay as high employers NI?

I work for a large American company and when I was over there a few years back I walked into the office on my first day there to find various people being escorted out if having been made redundant that morning (no consultation period over there....).

One of them was an ex-pat friend of mine from the UK and when we met up later in the bar he told us one of the terms of his exit package was he would be allowed to keep his company health insurance for 12 months if he met a premium of $1000 a month. So he is not earning and yet to keep the same level of cover he had through his work he'd have to find $1000 a month.

The alternative of not paying the premium is you lose the health insurance there and then and so you have to pay for literally every medical expense in full.

Kids need to see the doctor? Pay up.

Dentist? Pay up without any capped cost of treatment.

Need to go into hospital? Consider a second mortgage on the house if you can get one. Or bankruptcy.

What you don't seem to realise is once you stop paying the premiums your private health cover vanishes.

Are you so confident you won't suffer any misfortune that would deny you your private medical cover due to the inability to pay the premiums?

Even in-work you had better be very good at reading the small print to find out just how long and for how much you are covered for certain illnesses.

Whereas here, with the NHS, it doesn't matter if you are in work or are unemployed or whatever. You have no worries about medical costs at all.

And you are in favour of private health insurance?

Are you completely out of your mind?

Re: Ed Miliband Conference Speech : Wed Oct 01, 2014 3:41 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

The larger American companies are considered amongst the best in the world to work for - paying health premiums doesn't appear to impact their attractiveness to employees or business competitiveness.

If companies here had to pay health premiums then surely they would not have to pay as high employers NI?

The US no longer has that many good employers for life. That were casualisation of the work-force comes from. As I said above employers NI contributions go nowhere near the cost of the health care costs in the UK so in effect "good" employers who would otherwise provide good health insurance are getting it on the cheap.

Re: Ed Miliband Conference Speech : Wed Oct 01, 2014 3:51 pm  

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/yo ... ng-4358320 Oh my days, that tickled me

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/yo ... ng-4358320 Oh my days, that tickled me

Re: Ed Miliband Conference Speech : Wed Oct 01, 2014 4:05 pm  

UKIP is now complaining that Theresa May's "anti-extremism pledge" "could shut the party down"

UKIP is now complaining that Theresa May's "anti-extremism pledge" "could shut the party down"

Re: Ed Miliband Conference Speech : Wed Oct 01, 2014 8:54 pm  

cod'ead wrote: UKIP is now complaining that Theresa May's "anti-extremism pledge" "could shut the party down" It could be the end of the SWP!

cod'ead wrote: UKIP is now complaining that Theresa May's "anti-extremism pledge" "could shut the party down" It could be the end of the SWP!

Re: Ed Miliband Conference Speech : Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:07 pm  

Dally wrote:

It could be the end of the SWP!

That happened about 20 years ago

Re: Ed Miliband Conference Speech : Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:35 am  

Surprised there isn't a thread for Camoron's 'greatest living Yorkshireman' praise of William Hague.

[DaveO]

Re: Ed Miliband Conference Speech : Thu Oct 02, 2014 12:07 pm  

cod'ead wrote: UKIP is now complaining that Theresa May's "anti-extremism pledge" "could shut the party down" Well from the same article: "That's prompted fears the laws could be used on non-violent political groups and the political enemies of those in power. Critics said the powers were draconian and mocked the notion of banning those who are not proven to have broken the law, while human rights Liberty said the powers were "worthy of a caliphate". They (liberty) have a very valid point in my view. These proposals would have been just the sort of laws the Nazi's and any other bunch of fascists would enact under the pretence given by May. David Davies is right as well. Can't stand the man's politics he so far right economically it is untrue but on this he is correct. The fact UKIP have said they could be banned and that this may be viewed as highly unlikely so its another joke of a comment from them is neither here nor there.

cod'ead wrote: UKIP is now complaining that Theresa May's "anti-extremism pledge" "could shut the party down" Well from the same article: "That's prompted fears the laws could be used on non-violent political groups and the political enemies of those in power. Critics said the powers were draconian and mocked the notion of banning those who are not proven to have broken the law, while human rights Liberty said the powers were "worthy of a caliphate". They (liberty) have a very valid point in my view. These proposals would have been just the sort of laws the Nazi's and any other bunch of fascists would enact under the pretence given by May. David Davies is right as well. Can't stand the man's politics he so far right economically it is untrue but on this he is correct. The fact UKIP have said they could be banned and that this may be viewed as highly unlikely so its another joke of a comment from them is neither here nor there.

Re: Ed Miliband Conference Speech : Thu Oct 02, 2014 7:01 pm  

DaveO wrote:

Well from the same article:

"That's prompted fears the laws could be used on non-violent political groups and the political enemies of those in power.

Critics said the powers were draconian and mocked the notion of banning those who are not proven to have broken the law, while human rights Liberty said the powers were "worthy of a caliphate".

They (liberty) have a very valid point in my view. These proposals would have been just the sort of laws the Nazi's and any other bunch of fascists would enact under the pretence given by May.

David Davies is right as well. Can't stand the man's politics he so far right economically it is untrue but on this he is correct.

The fact UKIP have said they could be banned and that this may be viewed as highly unlikely so its another joke of a comment from them is neither here nor there.

I'd expect some sort of retort from Cleggy and the Last of the Summer Wine cast when the LimpDems conference starts.

Does anyone have any idea which village hall they're holding it in this year?